Victorian Bushfires: The Result of Human Folly
Posted by Roger Underwood, March 23rd, 2009 - under Opinion.
Tags: Bushfires
THE catastrophic bushfires in Victoria this year, and the other great fires of recent years in Victoria, New South Wales, the ACT and South Australia are dramatic expressions not just of killing forces unleashed, but of human folly… I am well aware of the drought, of the terrible conditions on the days of the fires, and of the view from some quarters that all of this is a result of global warming. I accept that drought and bad fire weather increase the risk of serious bushfires. What I do not accept is that “unstoppable” bushfires are the inevitable consequence. And while I will always welcome improved firefighting technology, I know from experience and from an understanding of the simple physics of bushfire behaviour, that technology can never be a substitute for good land management.
I am quoting from a paper given by Roger Underwood to the Stretton Group in Melbourne recently.
Australian Bushfire Management: a case study in wisdom versus folly
by Roger Underwood
One man’s wisdom is another’s folly, Ralph Waldo Emerson
MANY years ago, still a young man, I watched for the first time the grainy, flickering black and white film of the British infantry making their attack on the opening day of the Battle of the Somme. The stark and terrible footage shows the disciplined soldiers climbing from their trenches and, in line abreast, walking slowly across no-man’s land towards the enemy lines. They scarcely travel a few paces before the German machine gunners open up. They are mown down in their thousands. They are chaff before a wind of fire.
I can still remember being struck nerveless by these images, and later my anger when I realised what that calamitous carnage represented. It spoke of the deep incompetence of the Generals who devised a strategy of doom and then insisted upon its implementation. It spoke of front-line men led by people without front-line experience. It spoke of battle planners unable to think through the consequences of their plans, and who devalued human lives. It spoke of a devastating failure of the human imagination.
Worst of all, the strategies of the World War 1 Generals demonstrated that they had not studied, or that they had forgotten, the lessons of history. In the final year of the American Civil war, 50 years earlier, the Union army had been equipped for the first time with Springfield repeating rifles, replacing the single shot muskets they had previously used and still were being used by the Confederate army. The impact on Confederate soldiers attacking defenders armed with repeating rifles was identical to that later inflicted by machine guns on the Western Front. But it was a lesson unlearnt, of collective wisdom unregarded.
None of you will have any difficulty in seeing where this analogy is taking me.
The catastrophic bushfires in Victoria this year, and the other great fires of recent years in Victoria, New South Wales, the ACT and South Australia are dramatic expressions not just of killing forces unleashed, but of human folly. No less than the foolish strategies of the World War 1 Generals, these bushfires and their outcomes speak of incompetent leadership and of failed imaginations. Most unforgivable of all, they demonstrate the inability of people in powerful and influential positions to profit from the lessons of history and to heed the wisdom of experience.
But just a minute, I can hear some of you thinking. Is this fellow going too far here? What about the malignant influence of global warming on bushfire conditions, making things impossible for firefighters? What about the unprecedented weather conditions on the day, making the fires of February 2009 “unstoppable”. What about the years of drought making the bush super-ready to burn? Does he not realise that conditions beyond human understanding have now arisen in Victoria, making killer bushfires inevitable? And what about the promises of technology, the super-aerial tankers and so forth, that will give the initiative to our firefighters for once and for all?
I have thought long and hard about all these issues. I am well aware of the drought, of the terrible conditions on the days of the fires, and of the view from some quarters that all of this is a result of global warming. I accept that drought and bad fire weather increase the risk of serious bushfires. What I do not accept is that “unstoppable” bushfires are the inevitable consequence. And while I will always welcome improved firefighting technology, I know from experience and from an understanding of the simple physics of bushfire behaviour, that technology can never be a substitute for good land management. The serious bushfire is like a disease that is incubated over many years; good land management is the preventative medicine that ensures the disease does not become a killer epidemic.
To me, the epidemic of recent killer bushfires in Victoria are not an indicator of what is inevitable in the future. To me, they are an indicator of the inevitable consequences of what has happened in the past. To me, these fires toll like bells: they toll for failed leadership, failed governance and failed land management.
The issues of leadership and of good governance are central to my position. What these terrible fires point to is that the leaders of our society, Victoria’s politicians and senior bureaucrats, have palpably failed to do the most fundamental thing expected of them: to safeguard Victorian lives and the Victorian environment in the face of an obvious threat. They have failed to discharge their duty of care. Just as we now look back with incredulity at the amateurish strategies of the Generals in The Great War of 1914-1918, so will future Australians look back on the work of those responsible for land and bushfire management in this country (our bushfire Generals) in the years leading up to The Great Fires of 2003-2009.
The toll of the 2009 Victorian fires is shocking. Over 200 lives – lost. Thousands of homes – destroyed. Millions of dollars worth of social and economic infrastructure – reduced to ashes. The work of generations, the farmlands, stock, fences, woolsheds, yards and pastures – dead and gone. Native animals and birds – killed in their millions. Beautiful forests – cooked, in some cases stone dead. Catchments – eroding. The costs – multi-millions of dollars. Carbon dioxide into the atmosphere – the equivalent of a year’s supply for the whole of Australia. Psychological damage to children and families – uncountable.
Our bushfire Generals……. those Premiers, Ministers and senior bureaucrats in whom the people of Victoria put their trust….. can have no excuses.
They cannot say they didn’t know we have serious bushfires in Australia. This is no soft, green island where no bushfire ever burns. Australians have not arrived only recently in this hot, dry sclerophyllous land. Even if we overlook for a moment the fire management experience of Aboriginal people, accumulated over 40,000 years or so, non-Aboriginal Australians have been here for over 200 years, with 200 fire seasons, thousands of hot, dry and windy days, dozens of prolonged droughts, tens of thousands of thunderstorms, millions of lightning strikes, and hundreds of thousands of bushfires. This is no new or unique phenomenon. [Note 1]
They cannot say the impacts of intense bushfires on human communities were unimaginable. We have known for 200 years that European settlement represented the insertion of a fire-vulnerable society into a fire-prone environment. We have seen the consequences of mixing hot fires and settlements on many….. too many….. occasions, to doubt the result. [2]
They cannot say that Australians are powerless in the face of the bushfire threat, that bushfires are “unstoppable”. From the earliest days of settlement, through to the evolution of the fire management systems developed by experienced land and forest managers in the 1950s and 1960s, we have known what is needed to minimise bushfire intensity and bushfire damage [3], even under extreme conditions. From at least the 1960s we have known how to build and maintain houses in fire-prone environments so as to optimise their survival.
They cannot say that the relationships between fire and the Australian bush are still unknown. There have been 200 years of observation and records and over 50 years of scientific research on this very subject. This experience and this research has confirmed that fire is not an alien visitor, but a natural part of Australian bushland ecosystems. The right sort of fire is an agent for rejuvenation, regeneration, recycling and bushland health, a stimulus for biodiversity. Fire is to the Australian bush as are the waves and tides to Australian seaweeds and marine life. It is the absence of fire, especially of mild fire, that is the real threat to the Australian bush, because the inevitable result is a landscape-level holocaust, from which it might take a century or more for recovery.
And they cannot say that they were not warned. Warnings have emerged from the aftermath of every damaging bushfire for the last 70 years or more…… from inquiries, commissions and reports, from independent auditors and from land managers, bushfire scientists, foresters, farmers and firefighters. In recent years the warnings have come thick and fast. Magnificent books have been written on the subject [4]; there have been dozens of scientific papers and popular articles written by our very own world-respected bushfire experts like Phil Cheney. There have been detailed submissions by professional groups such as Forest Fire Victoria, the Bushfire Front and the Institute of Foresters of Australia. As recently as 2008 the Victorian Parliament undertook its own review and produced one of the best reports I have ever seen. Its key recommendations were simply…… “noted” in passing.
Can anyone say that no clear lessons have emerged from the bushfire calamities of the past? Can anyone say they are unaware of the previous fires that have burned Australian farms, settlements and suburbs, incinerated our national parks, nature reserves, rangelands and forests, or scorched out northern savannahs? Did no-one notice all those bushfires over the years that cut power supplies, burned out bridges and roads, destroyed schools, churches and hospitals, interrupted or fouled water supplies, destroyed observatories and threatened species, plantations, orchards and vineyards?
No, there is no shortage of lessons. They have even flowed in, for those who should have listened and learned, from Greece, from Portugal, and from the western United States and Canada during the last few years.
Over and over again, the same words have rung out, the same message has been sent:
1. In our climatic zone with hot dry summers and periodic drought, and with our flammable vegetation and frequent lightning strikes, bushfires are inevitable.
2. If fuels are allowed to accumulate, bushfires in eucalypt forests rapidly attain an intensity that exceeds the human capacity to extinguish them, notwithstanding the most modern and massive suppression forces.
3. Communities and economic assets in the path of high intensity fires will suffer horrible damage.
4. But! Potential damage can be minimised by application of a fire management system that incorporates responsible planning, and high standards of preparedness and damage mitigation, especially fuel reduction.
5. And! We have a choice: fires are inevitable, but we can chose to have mild controlled fires, or ungovernable infernos.
No, our politicians and bushfire generals cannot say they have not been warned. They cannot say there were no lessons to learn. They cannot say the message had not been sent.
They can only say that it was not received, or that it was received but ignored. Neither excuse is acceptable.
So what are the explanations? Why were sound messages not received, or received but not acted upon? Why, after 200 years of experience and 50 years of world-leading research, after working examples of how to set up an effective system of bushfire management have been established…… how was it possible that our political and bureaucratic leaders opted to adopt a bushfire system that does not work, that fails to protect Victorians from death, disaster and environmental calamity?
There are two answers.
1. The first is political. Put simply, in the last 25 years and when it comes to bushfire management, Australia governments have failed to govern. The focus of politicians has been on getting elected or staying in power, not in providing intelligent, tough and effective governance. This has led to political parties courting the preference votes of pressure groups and of city-based electors who are in the thrall of pressure group philosophies.
Despite the protestations of environmentalists over the last few weeks, there is no question that the influence of green activists at Federal, State and Local government levels has resulted in a steep decline in the standard of bushfire management in this country. Their influence is exemplified by two things: (i) opposition to prescribed burning for fuel reduction, resulting in unprecedented fuel build-ups in parks, forests and reserves close to population centres; and (ii) rural residential developments, in which developers and residents have been prevented or discouraged by environmentalist-dominated local councils from taking reasonable measures to ensure houses are bushfire-safe; and where people are living in houses in the bush where there is no effective enforcement by councils of building codes or hazard reduction. [5]
The situation where a Government fails to govern is, of course, made worse when communities and individuals fail to self-govern. People building houses and choosing to live in the bush also have a personal responsibility – to look after themselves and their neighbours. This responsibility, it seems to me, has also been discouraged by modern governments.
2. The second explanation is technical. In recent years many Australian bushfire authorities have been seduced by the siren call of technology. This has lured them into a fatal trap. Their assumption is that any fire can be contained so long as they get it early and then have enough hardware to throw at it. This approach arose in the United States in the years after World War 2, and is thus known to Australian land managers as “the American Approach”.
The American Approach is fundamentally flawed. Fifty years of its application in the United States and ten years in Australia has demonstrated that no force of firefighters in the world, indeed the fire-fighting resources of the world could they be marshalled into one place, can stop a crown fire in heavy forest which is generating a jet-stream of spotfires downwind, each spot fire also landing in heavy fuels, and starting new crown fires. The best and the bravest men and women, armed with the most munificent, the most magnificent and the most expensive equipment, is totally overwhelmed [6].
This is a reality that still appears not to have penetrated the Australian bushfire Generals and our political leaders. Not only have we seen the American Approach increasingly supported in this country, and then watched as it invariably fails when pitted against multiple hot fires in heavy fuels…… despite this!….. it seems to have taken on a life of its own. Every year more money is poured into the purchase of super-expensive equipment, but the outcomes on the ground just get worse. As recently as last week, Australian emergency services experts were launching new and strident calls for more and more expensive technology, completely ignoring the need for preventative measures.
Adoption of the American Approach has been accompanied by an equally disastrous institutional re-arrangement: the progressive transfer of bushfire responsibilities on crown lands from land management agencies to the emergency services. In this scenario, beloved of politicians and bushfire Generals, the focus of funding is shifted from preparedness and damage mitigation to emergency response. What this means in practice is less emphasis on fuel reduction and more on building up fleets of water-bombers, tankers, and other high tech firefighting gizmos, an enormous paramilitary force (overseen by technocrats in Head Office) whose function is to put out fires after they start… but which is doomed to failure whenever they are faced with multiple fires burning in heavy fuels under hot windy conditions.
These new and deleterious institutional arrangements persist because they are supported by powerful vested interests. The emergency services have a vested interest in maintaining a huge fire suppression machine and in making every fire – even an inconsequential fire – an emergency. I have watched over recent years as they have created a state of dependence on their firefighting forces, which, when things go bad, they cannot deliver upon. And they have encouraged the belief in the public mind that all fire is bad and has to be suppressed or avoided.
Politicians also have a vested interest in the American Approach. It is easier and simpler to finance suppression systems than damage mitigation, and they can bask in the glow of measures which are highly visible to the public and the media, and give the impression that they are doing something useful, irrespective of the fact that it will not succeed under bad fire conditions. I ask you….how often have you seen a politician lighting the first match of a prescribed burn, compared with the occasions when you see them breaking the champaigne over a newly purchased helicopter water bomber?
In saying this, I need to make an important point: I am not critical of the firefighters on the ground, professional and volunteer. I know these people, and I know them to be brave, resourceful and tough. I admire them unreservedly. But they are increasingly being asked by their own leadership to do the impossible.
But what of the assertions from groups such as the Australian Conservation Foundation and the Wilderness Society that because of global warming, big unstoppable bushfires are here to stay, and we might just as well get used to them. I totally reject this line of argument. It is an insult to human intelligence and to the human spirit. If the computer projections are correct and it does become hotter and dryer, this means we have to make even greater efforts at fire prevention, further improve our state of preparedness and take even more serious measures to minimise potential bushfire damage. The idea that there is nothing we can do in the face of global warming but retreat into the CFA shed and wait for the next fire to come at us over the horizon is defeatist and in the end, inhumane. And suggestions that everything will be OK if only Australians reduce their carbon dioxide emissions is surely an example of kindergarten-level thinking.
The need for mitigation of bushfire damage through fuel reduction by prescribed burning is absolutely central to effective bushfire management in dryland Australia [7]. I support the concept unequivocally, although I set some clear parameters: burning must be based on sound research into fuel characteristics, fire behaviour and fire effects; burns must be conducted professionally by trained personnel using the best-available burning guides; and every burn must be part of an overarching strategic approach, the carefully designed and constantly updated jigsaw known as the Strategic Burning Plan.
This is how it is done in Western Australia and could be done in Victoria. But even in WA the system slipped in recent years, as foresters battled to keep a fuels management program going in the face of cunning opposition from environmentalists and compliant politicians. WA has also seen an almost complete abandonment of effective bushfire management on private land over the last decade, with Local Government opting out and no-one else filling the vacuum. This is a situation people like me are trying to address as we speak. Would it not be better, we say to the WA government, to sort things out in advance, rather than after a disaster?
Nevertheless, 50 years of hard experience in Western Australia and world-class research [8] has demonstrated beyond argument that while fuel reduction by prescribed burning does not prevent bushfires, it ensures fires do less damage, and it makes them easier and safer to extinguish. In gambler’s terms, it shortens the odds in favour of the firefighter. In human terms, it means people living in bushland areas where fuels have been reduced, are less likely to be burnt to death than are people living amongst heavy fuels.
Victoria, New South Wales and to a lesser extent South Australia are years behind Western Australia when it comes to the critical business of fuels and fire management. There is a no need for new research to demonstrate the value of prescribed burning, as some academics are suggesting [9]. The need is to apply existing knowledge in a vastly expanded prescribed burning program on the lands that burn. The need is to upgrade the fire skills of field staff in parks and forests so that they can handle burns confidently and efficiently. The need is to develop comprehensive planning and control systems to ensure burning is professionally carried out, and the results are properly monitored and recorded. Above and beyond all this is the need for governments to recognise these needs, to act on them and to support their staff in the field.
And here’s the rub. Based on history, you could be excused for asking will anything change, or will we see just another revolution of the bushfire cycle? [10]
My fear is that governments, however much they make the right noises, will in the end want to stay in office, and unless things change, this will mean pandering to those who (despite their current protestations) have consistently opposed responsible bushfire management.
My fear is that the forces who benefit from the status quo will already be marshalling their resources in its defence. These will include the bushfire Generals who will not want to lose their power and influence, or to see funding going to land management (which they do not control) instead of new helicopters, water bombers and tankers (which they do).
I fear that all-knowing academics from the Fenner School of Environmental Studies at ANU, and members of the Canberra and Melbourne intelligentsia will emerge from their leafy campuses to tell us that actually there is no problem at all…. surely, everyone knows that killer bushfires are simply Mother Nature at work, or the planet’s revenge for our despicable environmentally-unfriendly behaviour. This line will be pushed over and again, helping to massage the consciences of politicians reluctant to make substantial changes to policies and practices which they think will be electorally unpopular [11].
Yes, I am fearful. But I am also hopeful (in a pessimistic way!) My intense hope is that this time things might change. Notwithstanding the whining of the effete intelligentsia, and opposition to change from within the green bureaucracy, the powerful environmental groups and the emergency service chiefs, I think that this time it is going to be hard for the Victorian government to find excuses for doing nothing. In turn, I think that it is also going to be hard for State governments in NSW, SA, Tas and WA to ignore the carnage in Victoria and the fact that fingers are being pointed very directly at the politicians and their bushfire Generals.
I also think that the Federal Government might finally decide that it is high time they reviewed their approach, which is basically one of rewarding State governments for failed land management. And I think that a great many Local Governments are going to realise that the planning buck stops with them….. if they knowingly put people into danger through their town planning and environmental policies, and the people are then killed, they cannot escape accountability.
Finally, I think that this time, it will finally dawn on governments and their advisers that in the Australian bush if you do not manage fire, you cannot manage for anything else.
Think about that for a moment. In the Australian bush if you do not manage fire, you cannot manage for anything else.
It is all very well to say that the management objective for our parks, forests and reserves is “protection of biodiversity”, as most national parks agencies say these days. The trouble is, this objective cannot be achieved without first having put in place an effective bushfire management system. Where is the biodiversity today in those thousands of hectares of bushland without a green leaf to be seen, those “bare ruined choirs where no bird sings”?
It is the same in areas where the stated management priority is to protect water catchments. But to say this, and then adopt a strategy that allows fuels to build up until the day comes when the catchments are reduced to dead trees and ash – is blatantly self-defeating. And it is the same for every other land management objective, whether this be protection of aesthetics and lovely forest landscapes, protection of recreational areas, protection of commercial values and residential areas or the conservation of soil, remnant bushland on farms or threatened species.
Therefore, the first rule of land management in Australia is this: get your bushfire management right, or be prepared to lose the lot.
I started this paper with a reference to World War 1, and the futility of the strategies adopted by the Generals throughout the first three and half years of the war. It is significant that the breakthrough in 1918, the new strategy, was designed by an Australian, indeed a Victorian, General Sir John Monash. The Monash strategy was based on firstly establishing clear priorities and unambiguous objectives – he knew exactly what he wanted from amongst the options of what could be achieved. It was based on excellent planning, anticipation of difficulties and attention to detail [12]. It was based on the advice of experts, men who had been at Gallipoli and in the trenches in France and Belgium, and who spoke from experience on the ground, not from ideology. Above all, Monash was not prepared to sacrifice human lives needlessly. With all of this behind them, the troops on the ground did the rest. Monash’s new approach provided the blueprint for the end to the slaughter on the Western Front.
What Australian bushfire management is crying out for is a new General Monash, a leader who understands that the current approach has failed and is doomed to continuing failure, that the influential advisers have no front-line experience. An effective new leader will know that if we clarify and properly rank our objectives, listen to the voices of experience and the lessons of history, and act accordingly, the odds favouring success will be massively shortened.
But the great General Monash himself would not succeed without the support of Prime Ministers, Premiers and Ministers, prepared to stand firm behind him when the Wilderness Society, the Canberra intelligentsia and the ABC current affairs people gang up on him. A good response to this lot might be “Sorry, mates, we are doing what is best for Australia and Australians, based on good science, experience and the word from the people who have most to lose”. Politically incorrect, of course, but it is the approach adopted when it comes to defence of the country against external enemies and national security, and which most Australians accept in that context.
Nor will a new general succeed without legislative and policy backing to enable land management agencies to win back the ground they have lost to the emergency services. Our parks and forests agencies must be empowered and resourced to manage fuels, indeed they must be required to do so, if necessary by legislation. Australia must abandon the American Approach, replacing it with an Australian Approach, a system in which equal weight is given to prevention and suppression, rather than trying, helplessly, to pile all our eggs in the suppression basket.
For any of this to happen our political leaders need to hear from the people whose lives and assets have been sacrificed or recklessly put at risk by the failed policies of the past. It is essential that the people who have suffered demand systemic change, not just window dressing, more helicopters and overseas firefighters. Unless they speak up, there is no chance they will be heard. Politicians will take the easy way out. [13]
I think we can say that the environmentalist approach to bushfire management, including reliance on aerial firefighting, has been given a very fair go. It has had a good test. Regrettably, and predictably, the results reveal that it has been a failure [14]. The excuses put forward, especially that fires are unstoppable because of global warming, are simply that: excuses. They do not allow for the capacity of intelligent humans to foresee a threat and to forestall it.
To conclude. The choices before us are straight-forward: do Australians, and especially Victorians, want our bushfire and land management planning done by professionals with front-line experience, or by campus intellectuals and ideologists? Is it smarter to manage bushfire fuels by burning them at times of our own choosing when conditions are mild, or to stand back, do nothing and risk being engulfed by fire at the worst possible time? If fires are inevitable, which is preferable: a controlled or a feral fire? And do we see humans as part of the ecosystem and plan accordingly, or do we see them as interlopers, as illegal immigrants in the Australian bush?
Do we opt for Wisdom or for Folly?
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Notes
Roger Underwood is a forester with fifty years experience in bushfire management and bushfire science. He has worked as a firefighter, a district and regional manager, a research manager and senior government administrator. He is Chairman of The Bushfire Front, an independent professional group promoting best practice in bushfire management.
1. The question of Aboriginal burning is still debated. According to the accounts of early explorers and settlers and to present-day Aborigines, pre-European burning was widespread and frequent. This information is rejected by environmentalists as “hear-say”. Western Australian ecologist David Ward has found a unique way to unlock the history of pre-European burning, through his study of fire scars on grass trees. Ward’s work in the jarrah forests of Western Australia, indicate that fire occurred there at intervals of 2-4 years, and combined with his understanding of fuel dynamics and fire behaviour, he concludes that these fires would have been of mild intensity and patchy. Academics from Melbourne University, without ever having worked in the jarrah forest, have dismissed Ward’s findings, preferring the print-outs from a theoretical computer model.
2. Not everyone agrees about the environmental impact of large intense wildfires. Dr Ross Bradstock who lectures to undergraduates at the Australian National University, has written in an article in the Melbourne Age newspaper that that there was no scientific evidence for the claims that millions of birds and mammals died, or that forest diversity was reduced in the Victorian Alpine fires in 2003.
3. Laura Meredith, writing of her home in Tasmania in 1840, records a time when her husband was away and bushfires were threatening her home. She discovered with relief that her husband had taken the wise precaution of burning the ferns over the whole of a wide span of the forest which surrounds us and thus the home was rendered safe.
4. The best book written on fire in Australia is Stephen Pyne’s Burning Bush (first published in 1991 and updated following the 2003/4 fires) but there are also numerous books on fire science and history, including the excellent Fire and Hearth by the anthropologist Sylvia Hallam. Hallam quotes Lort Stokes, a fellow traveller with Charles Darwin on the Beagle who watched as Aboriginal people near Albany carried out their routine burning of the bush, replacing (in Stokes’ words) fires of “ungovernable fury” with those of “complete docility”.
5. In the very week leading up to Victoria’s Black Saturday, Western Australian bushfire managers found themselves dealing with a Greens Member of Parliament who was threatening to organise a protesters’ camp in the bush to prevent a prescribed burn. The burn was planned to protect two local townships plus some very lovely forest from wildfire.
6. As Shakespeare pointed out: A little fire is quickly trodden out, but being suffered, rivers will not quench. Many of those who oppose prescribed burning believe that if we simply had enough firefighters, permanently waiting in the bush for fires to start, and able to tread on them at the instant of ignition, no large fires would ever occur. Firefighters regard this as impractical. In eucalypt forests carrying heavy dry fuels, a fire can become too fierce to allow direct attack by firefighters within minutes of ignition, indicating that the “treading out” approach would require several million firefighters on standby throughout Australian forests for several months of every year.
7. “Dryland Australia” is the bulk of the continent, outside the tropical rainforests of the north, some of the wet temperate rainforests of southern Tasmania, and coastal mangroves. It is the Australia that burns.
8. The Project Vesta research, a 10-year study completed in Australia in 2007, involved a collaboration of CSIRO, government agencies and the Bushfire Cooperative Research Centre. It represents the most comprehensive and technically defensible bushfire research program ever carried out anywhere in the world. The results unequivocally support the value of prescribed burning as a means of reducing bushfire intensity, and puts forward new approaches to fuel measurement and characterisation.
9. “More research is needed” is the standard response of academics and scientists to any issue. This is because they depend on research grants to pay their salaries and expenses. In Australia the fundamental questions about fire behaviour and fuels management have already been answered, going back to the work by Alan MacArthur, Phil Cheney, George Peet and Rick Sneeuwjagt in the 1960s and 1970s, and on building design by the CSIRO going back to the Tasmanian fires of 1967 and the Ash Wednesday fires of 1983. The pressing requirements today are for refining fire behaviour tables and developing prescribed burning guides for various forest types, in other words for applied or operational research which builds on current knowledge. This sort of work can only be carried out by bushfire experienced researchers in the field, not by theoretical analysts and computer experts in academia.
10. The Bushfire Cycle runs thus: first there is a disastrous bushfire. This is followed by inquiries, commissions and reviews and the system is greatly upgraded. Over subsequent years, the new system is so effective that there are no serious bushfires. Apathy and complacency set in, weirdo pressure groups arise, governments lose interest and funds and staff are reduced. The system degrades. Then there is another bushfire disaster and the wheel revolves once more.
11. According to the doyen of Canberra intellectuals Professor Clive Hamilton, speaking on ABC’s Radio National recently; “the most interesting thing about the recent Victorian bushfires has been the attacks on greenies.” Apparently he did not find the loss of over 200 lives as interesting as the ruffling of the feathers of a few environmental activists.
12. Les Carlyon in his magnificent book The Great War, notes that Monash’s final planning conference before the attack on Hamel in 1918 had an agenda of 133 items. Elsewhere it is recorded that the then-Colonel Monash, commanding Australian troops at Gallipoli in 1915, set up his command HQ thirty metres from the Turkish front trenches.
13. The fundamental issue, and the basis of the whole difficulty facing professional bushfire managers, is very well summed up by Jim Hacker, fictional Minister for Administrative Services in the television series ‘Yes Minister’: “There are times in a politician’s life when he is obliged to take the wrong decision. Wrong economically, wrong industrially, wrong by any standards – except one. It is a curious fact that something which is wrong from every other point of view can be right politically. And something which is right politically does not simply mean that it is the way to get the votes – which it is – but also if a policy gets the votes then it can be argued that that policy is what the people want. And, in a democracy, how can a thing be wrong if it is what the people will vote for?” The ultimate test for the Victorian government in the wake of the recent fires is whether or not it caves in to green demands on bushfire issues in order to win preference votes and stay in power at the next election. The ‘Yes Minister’ scenario, and past performances, suggests that they will fail this test, and will cave in, unless there is a dramatic outburst of political courage and responsible government.
14. It was notable that some of the worst of the recent fire damage in Victoria occurred in the dark, at night or under gale force winds when aerial waterbombers were grounded. This is consistent with my own experience. In 1978 I was the Officer in Charge in the karri forest in Western Australia during the Cyclone Alby bushfire crisis. The first thing we had to do as the cyclonic winds approached, was to ground all our aircraft and tie them down.


Stewie, Ian and Hate-fest (Viridis Perfidus):
“If Ian’s language offends you I suggest, politely that you toughen up a bit. Please.”
Well, thank you Stewie, all your comments are insightful contributions. However, it’s not MY delicate constitution that needs toughening.
Fact is, I enjoy Ian’s polemic style too and often roar hilariously when he gives some idiotarian a justified shafting.
But for the moment I am representing the unseen audience here (self-appointed, of course, hope you’re not offended,) most of whom are sitting on the fence whatever the topic and could rationally tip either way in many of our little debates. Your task, should you chose to accept it, is to express your outrage in a manner that connects sympathetically with your audience so that they can empathize with your POV.
Since I’m generally in awe of Ian on most topics I hear his experience and wisdom clearly over his grunts and I learn. Yet, when the spittle begins to fog Ian’s monitor at home, he’s costing his cause as many viewers as he’s converting. Not me or you, we know and love Ian. But what about the uninitiated casual and ever expanding traffic of readership?
I cringe when Ian decides to whip out Biko’s Brick instead of mustering the intellectual courage to channel his outrage into a passionate yet iron-clad rational argument that leaves our invisible fence sitters nodding their heads at his sagacity. He can and does do it, you know.
Reason trumps brickbats every time! What Stewie imagines is tough talk might be at the pub, but in mind-to-mind combat it’s the impotency of dimwits and wussies…any chimp can hurtle his poop. (See Luke for bang-up examples of simian coprolalia.)
If you need to vent your spleen use the garden. Save water. Comment later. If you want to convert the undecided, casual silent majority of readers stick to passionately persuasive rhetoric intelligently expressed.
Apologies to all for the OT digression. Adieu.
Fair enough Wes.
In general, Wes, I have shared your perspective on written style. But there is also a very serious danger that the elimination of the extent of one’s outrage will significantly misrepresent the character and intensity of the message. It was WH Auden’s mate Christopher Isherwood who warned of the dangers of “annihilation by blandness”, the process of sanitising a message until it loses all meaning.
Frankly, the most important message of all from this disaster is not getting out at all. That message is that the government and the greens have totally crossed the line. And it is complete nonsense to suggest that this message is best conveyed by us mincing about informing the urban community that “we are vewy vewy cwoth”. The easiest language of all to bury under an avalanche of verbage is the measured and the polite. And it is being buried as we speak.
Steve Biko’s half brick was, in part, metaphor. But be they metaphor or missile, they are both just another communication device. And the first rule of communication is that the message must be coded in a manner that will be understood by the intended recipient. And it is absolutely clear that the message of common sense and reasoned argument has been, and is likely to continue to be, buried under a blanket of spin and misinformation.
Mandella went to prison because he quite rightly observed that all the reasoned arguments and appeals to logic and principle were falling on deaf ears. The people in power had placed their own interests above everyone else’s. The people who were reading what they had been saying up till then probably approved of their use of language but they also mistook the mildness as an excuse to do nothing.
There is no similar ambiguity when that message is in the form of half a brick. And if one were to rank farming communities around the world in terms of their success in influencing large metropolitan dominated policy processes then the overwhelming prize winners all go to those, like the French, the Japanese and the Koreans, who recognise rotten eggs, tomatoes, manure and, yes, half bricks, as nothing more than a less subtle form of self expression. They don’t communicate this way all the time because the fact that it forms part of their vocabulary tends to greatly improve the sensitivity of those they need to communicate with.
Rural Australia is in its current state because its leaders have all been country gentlemen, so steeped in notions of proper form, so careful not to offend sensitivities, and so lacking in the “street smarts and mongrel” needed to win a single altercation, let alone a campaign, that they are routinely used as toe rags.
So frankly, Wes, I really don’t give a tinkers cuss if some readers are left feeling a little uncomfortable by some of the messages here. If they feel that way then they probably should be feeling that way. The death of 210 people is something that can leave the people who share the same circumstances pretty pissed off. And the least the victims deserve is for us to convey the intensity of our disgust in a manner that is entirely true and accurate.
We cannot water down the message without also watering down the justice of the outcome.
Still crook but will try to finish my thoughts on fires.
From this point on I am only refering to NSW and Victoria. I do not have sufficient information on the other states.
To support my point of view on the Victotian fires I also believe we need to quickly rehash our history regarding the vast mountain ranges of NSW and Vic. Mostly Crown land under differing management practices.
Once the early settlers began using this vast area for logging, grazing and recreation ( which began quite early), all of these people had a vested, commercial and environmental interest in maintaining this unique area in good shape.
The need for access roads, fire trails, water storage and accomodation were all quickly realised and established and maintained.
For well over 100 years the great majority of this vast region prospered. Mans commercial activity, once over logging and other damaging practices were stopped, brought this area into better shape than at any time in the previous 200 years.
Of course there were some disasters and I note that Festival of Hate comments about “Black Friday “in 1939. In comparing this with the present situation Hate needs to accept that those who fought this fire had No fire tankers or aircraft like today. This blaze was fought with wet bags, leather beaters and Knapsack sprays holding less than 3 gallons of water.
This fire and all bush fires until recently were stopped using “back burning.”
So could the dreadful destruction and loss of life in the recent fires been avoided.
Given the extreme conditions on Black Saturday ( similar to 1939) we cannot be too dogmatic about this. However we can be very sure about one thing, if anyone had tried to do what I am about to suggest, they would have been arrested and likely ended up in jail.
While I have spoken to a number of people who were witness to these fires, I do not have facts, but I would like to suggest the following.
If we take the town of Marysville and we assume that the out of control fire, driven by a NW wind is approaching the tiny town at say 10 miles/ hour and is presently12 miles away. At this point residents have 3 options: Leave and protect life, stay and so called fight the fire. or option 3 which is presently outlawed.
An experienced firefighter with a couple of tankers and some crew, would do the following.
He would find a road, track or ditch on the NW side of the town and immediately light a back burn along this road. As the fire took hold the tanker crews would extinguish the edge of the fire facing town.
As this back burn was taking hold he would also be trying to contain the E and W flanks with some more fire.
By now you are possibly thinking how siily to start another fire on a day like this. History tells us what the alternative was!
As the approachong wild fire comes towards the town it is being driven by the NW wind, but as with all out of control fires it is also drawing air from in front as well. ( this is the roaring noise often refered to.)
The aim is to get the back burn fire as agressive as possible and to burn as far away from what is being protected as can be achieved in the time available.
As the 2 fronts approach, the back burn fire becomes turbo charged by the air being drawn in by the much larger fire. As they meet there is a huge uplift of extremely hot air carrying fire, embers,grass, burning leaves and most importantly smoke.
At that instant the wild fire no longer has fuel. It is effectively out.
This is vital to firefighters as it leaves the crews who will be mopping-up for some time, working in a reasonable environment with no danger from wild fire and little smoke.
This is in vast contrast to have 100s of men and $Ms of equipment just watching the approaching fire and hoping for the best.
I have personally been in dozens of situations where wise fire Captains have used back burning to save houses, sheds, villiages and even flocks of sheep.
All of the major fires in both States were stopped by back burning until a few years ago, when all of the fire control decision making process was stealthily removed from the local level to giant, cumbersom, idioligically driven and incompetant bureaucracies in the capital cities.
Since that time we have seen the destruction of most of this wouderful area of Australia, that I have been enjoying all of my life.
SO, HOW WAS THIS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN?
It happened because Australia no longer has a “Fourth Estate ” There is no arm of our MSM that could seriously claim to be meeting the benchmarks of the 4th Estate.
There is no code of ethics more regularly disregarded and abused than the Journalists code of ethics.
Fire is one of the elements of antiquity and is more important to modern man than it was to cave man.
Without fire man could not produce cheap power, could not run our cars, trucks, planes and tractors.
Fire is a very efficient servant, howere he is a servant with an attidude problem.
Fire ALWAYS tries to become the master. Once fire does this as on Black Saturday, Fire immediately seeks to create “Hell on Earth.” Fore destroys man, his housing, factories, the flora and fauna, his crops his stock. Left to his own devices his appitite is limitless.
NEVER IN NSW AND VIC. SHOULD AN UNINTENDED FIRE BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO BURN.
Every unintended fire should be extinguished as quickly and as economically as possible.
I havený said much of what I wanted to include as i’m still crook.
In conclusion I have written a poem called “Tears in the Ashes,” Jennifer in her wisdom has decided it is too hot for her to handle. However if you would like to have a look it is on the SOS site and at Aspen Poets Society.
Would appreciate you comments.
Pike.
What we have is a group of self serving, arrogrant, incompetant people who are high on the sensationalist drug and not interested in truth or asking the difficult questions.
Attempting a backburn in the bush on BS would have been suicide. It might work in grassland but sending a crew into bushland to backburn in extreme weather is criminally culpable. You’ll end up with a situation like the Upper Beaconsfield crew faced in ’83.
The Marysville fire would have been spotting 10-15km in advance. The extreme conditions made fire behaviour erratic and extremely dangerous. Your little back burn would have merely added to the convoluted madness. People would have had even less time to escape. You really have no appreciation of the physical reality of the day.
So much for folksy, down home wisdom. Stretton was talking about people like you, i.e. well intentioned but dumb. Even the good intentions could be questioned as you seem more intent on pursuing a political agenda that would remove the constraints of good governance so that you may advance your interests before those of the broader community.
Anyway, that little detour dealt with, I refer you back to my last comment and the salient question. Well?
FOH,
Have you been in a situation where the fire front is going to get you? No way out?
What Ron Pike says is true. But you need something special.
Courage!
You modern philosophers of fire fighting with all your ideas seem to lack the concept of that ingredient and bureaucrats in their arse-covering positions also cannot allow it to be part of the solution yet in spite of that it still happens frequently.
And for courage to win the day it still needs good planning.
But that’s the only way you can win.
“Have you been in a situation where the fire front is going to get you? No way out?”
Of course the difference in this scenario is the difference between being trapped inadvertently (either accident or ignorance) and deliberately putting yourself in a high risk situation.
Modern fire services would not put a crew in front of a rapidly advancing fire front with a view to starting a backburn.
No fire fighting agency should risk lives to save assets. With an hours notice, all educated residents should have fled at the first sign of fire from the NW. A sophisticated fire defence system should give homes a reasonable chance of survival. If it fails in extreme conditions you have insurance. No asset is worth a life. Stay and defend needs to be carefully evaluated in the context of numerous variables.
This idea of backburning in heavy fuels on a day like BS is a pathetic joke and complete La La Land. It’s like I’ve stepped into a time warp. It’s 2009, not 1909.
“What Ron Pike says is true. But you need something special.” A brain. Now, about that question…
In relation to the two lines that some how managed to leave the body of my last post, they were meant to follow the Journalists Code of Ethics.
Now Hate, having tried to lift this discussion above name calling, for you I am making an exception.
Rather than having a tizzie that shows signs of inferiority complex when posters here do not respond the you words of nonsence.
Try considering that most of us here are yet to see you post anything of substance.
Rather than ranting at me as ä senile old fool,” well intentioned fool” and others, how about learning to at least develop some capacity for comprehention.
Read my post again and then ask yourself why you said, ” sending a crew into bushland on BS is criminally culpable.”
I distinctly said they would be burning back from a road on the edge of town.
Read the post several times slowly to take it in. There is sufficient information for even you to understand.
For someone like you to be repeatedly calling me a fool while hiding behind a silly name says much about your credability.
An out of control bushfire is rarely unpredititable as you claim. They are mostly driven by a hot wind and their course is largey predictable. Successful back burns are best carried out when conditions assure a reasonably healthy fire.
Most back burns which fail are conducted at night, because the back burn becomes disjointed and often goes out in places or across the whole burn.
How was my suggested back burn going to make things worse?
How can it be worse than total destruction with considerable loss of life.
Now a little bit of my history ( we know we will never get yours, because you have”a family, assets and income to protect” Well what a hero. You think others here are any different. What a fraud)
I believe I attended my first fire with my Dad at about age 15. I immediately began getting instruction from older fire fighters about what was happening and why. Always, always, fire fighter safty was paramount. That has never changed, but because authorities have put in place “Greenie policies” fire fighters are now much more at risk.
Since then I have been very involved in over 30 major fires in all different terrain. By the time I retired I would confidently sayI have 55 years of practical worthwhile experience.
My gut feel is that you have a little theory and little or no practical knowledge.
This is more like one years experience 30 times over. Quite a difference.
I have personally been involved in hundreds of back burns and never seen one get out of control.
Back burns protect both property and fire fighters. Read the post again.
Hate, your total lak of understanding on this subject is only exceeded by your capacity to keep demonstrating it.
About 12 years ago I was involved in a large fire in the sanstone gorge country near Hornsby north of Sydney. The new regime of fire management was already in place by then.
On a very hot day the fire was heading up the Galston Gorge ( an inacessable ravine)
Developers had put a road along the cliff top some years earlier and a row of very upmarket houses had been built along the ridge.
Everyone knew that at some time that day the fire would roar up the valley.
We were precluded from commencing a back burn down the Gulley. It would have been very easy to accomplish.
On hearing this at about 10 in the morning two house owners at the far end of the street went home and started a back burn behind their homes. By the time authorities realised what was happening there was nothing they could do about it.
Gues what? About 3 in the afternoon the fire roared up the valley burning every house in the street except the two that had back burnt.
These two gentlemen were charged and convicted and castigated by the Judge as being totally irresponsible.
Now I ask you who was being most irresponsible?
The two men who saved their homes with no downside for their neighbours, or firefighting bosses who allowed an army of people to stand by while homes were destroyed.
Hate, throwing invective at people like Ian Mott, myself and others seems to be the only talent you have.
I appreciate reasoned contrary opinion to my own, we all keep learning all our life. Unfortunately for you mate, you seem to be driven by some idioligical hatred of truth.
Motty and I are not here because we need to stroke our egos, by seeing our name in print
, nor is it because we do not have enough to do.
We are here because our MSM is letting down our democracy by not providing any balance on many issues especially this one.
Personally I will not stop until I see the complete dispersal of the Fire industry Bureauracy that have been established in Sydney and Melbourne and the decission making process returned to local level. The only place that can be effective.
Pikey.
You didn’t answer any of our questions of you, Hate/Woodford. Are you a recently rural urbanite? Do you live next to a coastal lake? Is your fire fighting experience on par with your sailing?
And you have the gall to suggest that 1939 events support your position on current events. Stretton began the process of responsible hazard reduction which has now degenerated to mere tokenism. To use pre-1939 conditions as some sort of evidence in support of your position makes it clear that you are nothing but a vigorous imagination, set loose on a field of expertise to grasp any factoid that might be bent to become grist for your mill. You obviously regard truth and fact as nothing more than a drop down menu, to be selected from at whim without regard for the veracity of the resulting picture.
Back burns in 100km winds are not easy but can be done on the downwind side of a hill when the main fire is still on the other side. The fast wind shoots over the ridgetop and sucks air up under it from the down wind side. I don’t know the terrain at Marysville well enough to comment on whether this would have been possible there.
What I do know is that one of the best ways to survive a large fire is to light a small fire ahead of it and then get well into the ashbed of the small fire.
And there is no doubt that a deliberately lit fire, or one started by advanced embers, in modest fuel, will take some time to reach the intensity exhibited by the main fire. Yet, here you are, on one hand claiming that nothing could possibly stop the major fire, but on the other hand claiming that a smaller (to begin with) back burn some 10 or 20 minutes before the main fire, is an act of lunacy.
If it was absolutely certain that the main fire would go straight through Marysville then a back burn on the down wind side, so that residents could then shelter in the resulting ash beds, would have had no bearing on the ultimate area of fire but major implications for resident survival. With such a rear burn in place then an additional one on the upwind side of town would have produced a milder burn through the town. It would have already passed through the town and died out on the rear burn area in the time it would have needed to gather lethal intensity.
You do accept, I hope, that a small fire just starting out is much less intense, and much less lethal, than a crown topping fireball, don’t you?
You do accept, I hope, that a crown topping fireball will generally die out when it hits an area that has already been burnt out a short time earlier, don’t you?
You are so imbued with your murderous green ideology, and your politics of exclusion, that you regard any act of self preservation by people who live next to “your” forests, as something to be discouraged at all costs. So you oppose all threat reduction measures, whether they are conducted 6 or 18 months in advance or if they are conducted just 15 minutes in advance.
And all you can fall back on is a classic display of arrogant metrocentric contempt for any person or concept that is outside your lumpencretinous tribal manifesto. You have squandered any right to be regarded as a reasonable man. You are not in possession of the relevant facts, you have no desire to acquire those facts and you are clearly incapable of acting in good faith in your dealings with the rural community.
PIKE
“having tried to lift this discussion above name calling”
Haha! You lot haven’t let up with the abuse directed at me and now you claim you’re trying to lift the tone! That’s comedy gold!
“I distinctly said they would be burning back from a road on the edge of town.”
There is no road on the NW, only a track in the bush. Even if you managed to burn a few hectares, the fire would probably only burn ground fuel and all the aerial fuel would still be there. If the canopy takes off, then you’ve just created a whole new set of problems for yourself. The winds would be difficult because you are on a leeward slope. In terms of the scale related to topography, conditions, forest type and fire intensity, I can only assume you don’t get it. How many of you know, or are actually in, Victoria?
Followed by another folksy anecdote…awww, how quaint! 9 times out of 10 the heroes of your story would have probably burnt out their neighbours or themselves with their homespun remedy.
MOTT
“You didn’t answer any of our questions of you,” Oh, I thought that was stream of consciousness verbal bile. My mistake.
“Stretton began the process of responsible hazard reduction” Or, alternatively, ended irresponsible and haphazard fuel reduction etc.
You still haven’t addressed the question, if greenies are responsible for BS, how did BF and AW happen? Not a greenie or green by-law in sight but plenty of indiscriminate use of fire in the landscape. No matter how you spin it, your argument has a gaping hole in it.
Backburns might be useful in some situations but to suggest it could have saved Marysville on the day is misguided at best. With a wind change imminent, and possibly coinciding with the fire’s arrival at the town, who would gamble hundreds of lives on the roll of a dice?
“You do accept, I hope, that a crown topping fireball will generally die out when it hits an area that has already been burnt out a short time earlier, don’t you?”
If the backburn was started a mere hour before the fire front hits at full throttle, and the canopy is intact, I hate to think what might happen when the two heat sources merge.
“So you oppose all threat reduction measures, whether they are conducted 6 or 18 months in advance or if they are conducted just 15 minutes in advance.”
Haha, another strawman! I’ve stated clearly that I don’t oppose FRBs in principle, I just pointed out widescale and recent FRBs did SFA to save Marysville. Your argument, to paraphrase, is that if only those damned greenies had allowed FRBs Marysville would have survived.
I’ve already mentioned the frequency of FRBs around Marysville and there’s this…
“Professor David Lindenmayer of the ANU (pers comm) points out that: “I worked out of Marysville for 25 years and every year for the past 5 years the outskirts of the town were fuel reduced.”” (from Andrew Campbell’s article on the fires)
Your patronising “We know best” attitude just doesn’t cut the mustard boys. The science and expertise have moved on and only a few elements of your folklore are actually applicable in this day and age.
Right Wing Festival of Hate
Are you James Woodford aka Prof Poongschtock? The one that also thinks that FRB isnot relevant and uses Phil Zylstra’s opinion piece as “scientific” evidence against FRB? I actually think Ian is a slueth. Well done Ian -serves himself right for trying to hide behind an anaonymous pseudonym.
Hate,
The most foolish and stupid amoung us are those who having been presented with copious reasoned truth, still refuse to accept it.
You hide behind anonymoty, pontificate about that of which you no little, resort to name calling when cornered and now I know you fabricate comments.
Yes I do know the area around Marysville.
Yes there IS A ROAD that could be used for the starting of a back burn.
There is also a creek, however, given a couple of tankers and crew I could stiil do what was required without the above.
And just in case you are wondering I have a lot of contact with the Streeton Group. Simon Patton, one of the founders, is a life long friend. He would have more fire fighting and fire prevention knowledgw in his little finger than you are ever likely to gain.
You are a fraud!
This is not so much about a point of view as it is a devision between those who care sufficiently to ensure that this loss of life does not happen again and others who seem not to care.
While I weep for them, I weep for wisdom also,
For truth, reason, common sence and freedom.
Lost in a holy conflagration. An inferno
Of zealous environmental whoredom.
Suckled on the tit of political expediency.
Oh, wisdom where now is thy decency?
Oh, truth where now thy decency?
To learn not from this hell; that is treason.
Pikey.
“The most foolish and stupid amoung us are those who having been presented with copious reasoned truth, still refuse to accept it.” So, you’ve finally woken up to yourself?
“Yes there IS A ROAD that could be used for the starting of a back burn.” Which road would you have tried to backburn from on BS?
“There is also a creek, however, given a couple of tankers and crew I could stiil do what was required without the above.” So you’d take crew into bush and try to backburn in extreme conditions?
I reckon you’re a loon. If you went anywhere near a box of matches, let alone a drip torch, on a day like BS you ought to be locked up and have the key thrown away.
If you lot can’t see how bereft and desperate you look, God help you.
Hate/Woodford, you continue to demonstrate your complete ignorance by claiming that a crew would be in danger by being in the bush to conduct a back burn. Only a bunch of dead bimbos from (S)Parks and Wildfires would be so thick as to try and outrun their own fire as the late Kuringai Chase clowns did.
So let me spell this out for yourself and all the other visitors from “Dumbturdistan”. The safest place to be in a bush fire is behind it. So a fire crew would be quite safe if they lit a back burn and then followed along behind it. The part of the main fire that then catches up with the ash bed behind the crew would burn itself out as it cannot burn fuel that has already burned.
But I must thank you for providing such a glaring example of the gross ignorance, fanatical determination to mislead, and callous disregard for the consequences, that characterises the murderous green ideologues.
It is no surprise at all that you have been found to be nothing more than a metrocentric dilettante, seeking cheap thrills at the expense of the rural community you pretend to belong to. You are much worse than a parasite, you are a class enemy, grande mall.
And to top it all off he quotes David Lindenmeyer, the guy who criticised a detailed critique of the nest hollow science as “absolute rubbish, having no basis in science”, BEFORE HE HAD EVEN SEEN A COPY OF THE CRITIQUE.
And again, you claim that you are not opposed to fuel reduction burning but seek to imply that the fuel reduction burns near Marysville were a failure of themselves. You forget that we know first hand that numerous fuel reduction activities in that area were prevented by legislation.
Lindenmeyer is implying that fuel reduction in that location was adequate when we know that this was far from the case. But long bows are his standard MO.
Motty,
Could you call me on 02 66537554?
Very important!
Hate, We don’t leave things to God.
We act in the best interests of mankind.
Pikey
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The WWI analogy is a good one. However, the response of ‘fire experts’ after every serious fire is simply more fuel reduction burning. Not dissimilar to the “War experts” after every failure in the trenches the response was not to question the tactic but merely scale up the effort – heavier artillery barrages and increasing numbers of men over the top. Intense life threatening fires occur in forests, woodlands and grasslands/pastures that have negligible ground fuels – for example no amount of background presuppression burning would have reduced ground fuels in the Kinglake forests area to the levels that are typical of the low productivity Bendigo-Redesdale forests. The Redesdale fire also destroyed numerous properties and claimed at least one life from memory.