Keeping Carbon Dioxide in the Soda – or Not

YESTERDAY the US President, Barrack Obama, urged action to curb “dangerous carbon emissions that contaminate the water we drink”.

If you consider carbon dioxide a “dangerous contaminate” and want to get rid of the carbon dioxide in say the soda, before you drink it, then shake the bottle first. Fizzing allows dissolved carbon dioxide gas to be released in the form of bubbles. 

But here’s a dilemma, since the fizz in the soda is actually dissolved carbon dioxide gas, shouldn’t you really be trying to keep as much of the gas in the bottle as possible as suggested by US scientists, Steve Spangler? 

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Notes and Links

 “Since the fizz in the soda is actually dissolved carbon dioxide gas, the goal is to keep as much of the gas in the bottle as possible.”  Steve Spangler, Scientist
http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/content/experiment/00000103

“At a time of great fiscal challenges, this legislation is paid for by the polluters who currently emit the dangerous carbon emissions that contaminate the water we drink and pollute the air we breathe.” Barrack Obama, June 23, 2009
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/23/obama-climate-change-congress

Via Tom Nelson, via Marc Morano

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46 Responses to Keeping Carbon Dioxide in the Soda – or Not

  1. Jan Pompe June 24, 2009 at 10:38 am #

    Good on Jen, I needed a laugh.

    “But here’s a dilemma, since the fizz in the soda is actually dissolved carbon dioxide gas, shouldn’t you really be trying to keep as much of the gas in the bottle as possible as suggested by US scientists, Steve Spangler? ”

    I would think that since the CO2 in coke is actually extracted from the atmosphere (it’s a good thing that the CO2 doesn’t have a 55 year half life in the filling machine) Steve Spangler should just buy all the soda pop he can and bury it.

  2. janama June 24, 2009 at 10:42 am #

    It’s all just a lot of hot air – or should I say – hot expelled carbon dioxide.

    Penny Wong was expelling her share this morning on the ABC where she informed us that the latest scientific reports tell us dangerous climate change is happening faster than projected and China and Japan are acting yet we are delaying.

    All totally untrue but definitely hot air pollution.

  3. Allen Ford June 24, 2009 at 10:56 am #

    “dangerous climate change is happening faster than projected”

    On what real evidence?

  4. janama June 24, 2009 at 11:06 am #

    apparently a new scientific report from Copenhagen suggested climate change was happening faster than projected. She’s been spouting that lie for weeks.

  5. Marcus June 24, 2009 at 11:39 am #

    I wonder how this would effect beer and fizzy drink sales?
    I mean the whole idea is to have CO2 in there?
    The mind boggles at the stupidity of politicians, or cleverness?
    As Jan said “it is actually extracted from the atmosphere” in the first place.

  6. dhmo June 24, 2009 at 12:09 pm #

    Perhaps those who believe this should stop breathing and farting and do everone a favour.

  7. Gary P June 24, 2009 at 12:36 pm #

    Eventually there will be lots of fizzy water coming out of the ground it the carbons sequestration proponents have there way. A test is about to be done next to a power plant in Ohio.

    “The test will include injection of a total of 3000 metric tons of carbon dioxide during a period of 45-60 days starting mid-September”
    http://216.109.210.162/AppalachianBasin.aspx

    A Lake Nyos type disaster seems unlikely in the near future but I wonder what happens after 100 years of building up a big reservoir of pressurized CO2 underground.
    http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_work/Nyos.html

    1,171.5 million tons of coal were purchased in the US last year. Convert that to CO2 and bury it and you have a lot of fizzy water.

  8. JAE June 24, 2009 at 12:41 pm #

    OK, I’ve said it on several blogs, already, so here it is again. BHO IS A DUMB JACKASS.

  9. JAE June 24, 2009 at 12:50 pm #

    No noise from the AGW freaks that frequent this site? Perhaps even they are shocked to see so much stupidity on the part of BHO? I’m sure there are millions of little adoring Democrats who think his statement was just brilliant. God save the USA!

  10. Ian Mott June 24, 2009 at 5:20 pm #

    I guess that means his honeymoon is over, JAE. Dude raised by his anglo mom and anglo grannies becomes a role model for african american boys. And the lesson? Looks like an advert for the “stolen generation” to me.

  11. Malcolm Hill June 24, 2009 at 5:21 pm #

    JAE

    BHO may be a dumb jackass but the USA has real problem developing if this is true.

    Thank God that Australia has compulsory voting.
    At least those that pay taxes and create wealth have to show up

    “Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the Presidential election:
    • Number of States won by: Democrats:19 Republicans: 29
    • Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
    • Population of counties won by: Democrats:127 million Republicans: 143 million
    • Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2

    Republicans: 2.1
    Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”

    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.

  12. S.E.Hendriksen June 24, 2009 at 5:47 pm #

    Most of the industrial CO2 are extracted from smoke stacks…call it a delayed release of CO2

  13. Ellen Byers June 24, 2009 at 5:58 pm #

    Hilarious! It’s too bad Steve Spangler isn’t our president; he’d be amazing. In my house, he’s a hero.

  14. Eyrie June 24, 2009 at 6:20 pm #

    Every time I hear BHO speak on TV I say to myself “the lights are on but is anybody home?” “Did he actually understand what he just said?”

    About the same applies to Penny Wong.

    I afraid we’re seeing the collapse of western civilization aided and abetted by the green left.

  15. Luke June 24, 2009 at 7:39 pm #

    Well predictable that the denialist scum would be so insensitive as to put their own selfish needs for fizzy drinks above the global climate. It is estimated that 3% of global emissions is involved in drink carbonation. And according to Yaste 2007 (Climate Dynamics) – the radiative properties of sucrose and aspartame gas borne bubble films far exceed global plasma TV emissions of nitrogen trifluoride.

    Have you goons considered how band broadening around a drink CO2 bubble film works? And aspartame is 14x sucrose. Think of it as a form of water vapour feedback but more potent.

    Then there’s the embedded energy in aluminium cans, bottles and distribution, as well as refrigeration. Globally you’re looking at the greenhouse emission budget of New Zealand. Exporters of climate denialist sheep shagging scum. Really it’s no laughing matter and I can’t see why Jen thinks it’s so funny.

  16. Jan Pompe June 24, 2009 at 7:50 pm #

    Luke you really take the cake:

    “It is estimated that 3% of global emissions is involved in drink carbonation.”?

    After that 3% was extracted from the atmosphere I’d say it was carbon neutral.

    “the radiative properties of sucrose and aspartame gas borne bubble films far exceed global plasma TV emissions of nitrogen trifluoride.”

    OK high time to put the sugar cane farmers out of business. I was going to suggest they change over to that stuff that you’ve been smoking but that is illegal.

    “Really it’s no laughing matter and I can’t see why Jen thinks it’s so funny.”

    Because it’s hilarious.

  17. Luke June 24, 2009 at 9:04 pm #

    It may have been extracted from the atmosphere but with death creating coal fired electricity to aid concentration and compression. All carbonated drinks should be declared illegal. This is our agenda after compulsory sterilisation of all sceptics. Although given the number that are numb nuts perhaps we need not bother.

  18. cohenite June 24, 2009 at 9:08 pm #

    luke is either taking the piss or has jumped the shark and fallen into the pixie nest big time.

  19. Stephen Wilde June 24, 2009 at 9:10 pm #

    President Obama seems confused by the difference between carbon dioxide and carbon particulates.

    His statement suggests that he means the latter but he is proposing changes that are designed to deal with the former.

    Hasn’t anyone briefed him properly ?

  20. Graham Young June 24, 2009 at 9:37 pm #

    So where does this leave my home brew? Am I engaged in environmentally criminal activity in my garage?

  21. Jan Pompe June 24, 2009 at 10:11 pm #

    cohenite: “luke is either taking the piss or has jumped the shark and fallen into the pixie nest big time”

    I don’t they are mutually exclusive states do you?

  22. hunter June 24, 2009 at 10:35 pm #

    Luke,
    You have written two of the funniest posts ever irt AGW fear mongering.
    That 3% estimate sounds like what so many AGW ‘estimates’ are eventually proven to be:
    Made up garbage.
    What is the residence time of those wicked bubbles and their evil films in the atmosphere?
    You really are jumping the shark.

  23. Donald of S.A. June 25, 2009 at 12:01 am #

    One reads now and then that the O is not so bright. His comment is yet another absurdity.

  24. Susan June 25, 2009 at 1:36 am #

    Hi Jennifer – This is very funny! Keep the fizz in soda and save the environment. If you want to get as much CO2 out into the environment, use a Geyser Tube science toy and go crazy. http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/product/2072

  25. bill June 25, 2009 at 5:05 am #

    You really have to wonder how much an ignoramus the US president really is … Because it’s pretty bad. Unless he actually thinks you are this dumb.

    Why not remove all CO2 from the atmosphere?

    I have to get me another soda …

  26. kasphar June 25, 2009 at 6:19 am #

    CO2 is a pollutant!? Ask a tree, OBH.

  27. kuhnkat June 25, 2009 at 6:55 am #

    Luke,

    you keep getting better and better.

    Please don’t stop posting that stuff!!! I am using it as an example of how ridiculous Warmers are with my Liberal acquaintances here in San Francisco. I think I am starting to get through to them!!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  28. kuhnkat June 25, 2009 at 6:57 am #

    Almost forgot,

    THANK YOU LUKE!!

    and a big thanks to all the other Wing Nut WARMERS who daily prove my case for me!!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  29. James Mayeau June 25, 2009 at 7:05 am #

    Did you know that Chicago doesn’t do recycling? They have that Great Lakes waterway to ship the trash out but they still don’t/ that tells me something.

    I feel compelled to defend my President.

    Before he was elected, when we had the choice between BHO and JMac, there were a series of associations which B found inconvenient, a Vietnam era former domestic terrorist, a racist pastor who precided at the Obama wedding, an unreformed communist mentor who happened to be the only elder black male local to B in Hawaii, ect.

    Much was made of B’s penchant for cutting ties. “Throwing them under the campaign bus” was the joke of the season on conservative blogs. What you wouldn’t know by reading on the internet is the extent of Barry’s disassociation from these nefarious characters of the past. I didn’t even know it myself until a couple weeks back. I’m at a bookstore looking at the magazine rack and there’s the Time magazine special “Obama” – the life in pictures retrospective.
    I was a bit surprised there were no pictures of Ann Dunham. There were no pictures of Grandma & Grandpa Dunham either. OK. Plenty of wedding photos, twenty years of church activitiies with the kids and such, but no picture of Pastor Bigot. No pictures of O standing next to Mayor Daily or the Chicago machine, Acorn, celebrating past election victories.
    The only family beyond the immediate were relatives he met on trips to Kenya.
    It’s a bit sad to me that he feels the need to erase huge chunks of his past for political expedience, even in an informal celebritory magazine meant for the consumption of the B faithful.
    Contrast with JMcCain. His embarassing past associations are embraced and drawn closer. He doesn’t hide people for the sake of campaigns.

    Now here is the nut of the thing. Both BHO and JMac said in the course of the campaign that they believe in global warming, and are going to lead with AGW in mind. McCain has a history of sticking it to the party, siding with the donks to abridge freedom of speech, blocking conservative judges, ect. so I believe JM when he says he will lead the fight on global warming. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out JM is a co=sponsor of Wax/Markey bill; probably the only one from the Rep party.
    But Barack… B has a history of torpedoing political opponents who he perceives as counterproductive.
    Could it be that Al Gore is a bit embarassing for Barry?
    Let’s look at the history. Al made an hour long speech at the DNC without mentioning his chief money making issue. Who could it have been that passed the word to Albert to stuff the GW talk?> In fact global warming wasn’t mentioned much at all at the DNC and besides the nominating John Holdren as his science advisor (a raving zero population growth lunatic/sop to the lunatic fringe of the Dem party), it wasn’t given much talk during the head to head campaigning between BO and JM>
    Recently an official report of impacts on the USA was released. It’s filled with what amount to global warming rumours/ the science has been amputated. You couldn’t have handed skeptics a better gift if you tried. That was issued by Barry.

    I’m just saying this “mistake” follows a pattern. At the very least, it shows global warming isn’t high on Barry’s priority list. Or maybe he has read the tea leaves and due to his position as leader of the Donks he can’t very well come out and dissavow agw, but he has no intention of being sunk with it as an anchor.

    Luke, your insanity defence is shaping up nicely.

  30. dhmo June 25, 2009 at 8:29 am #

    This is really concerning what’s next will any drink containing CO2 be banned? The next thing is going to be water vapour since it is a far more evil substance in GHG terms than CO2. In fact this has already started see http://www.ecoenquirer.com/EPA-water-vapor.htm. There has been obviously been a hidden campaign against this dangerous material. Other problems are that when condensed it becomes the major component of most poisons. Many people die from it when it is frozen. There are recorded events where even ships sank because of this evil scourge, ban it I say.

  31. PeterW June 25, 2009 at 9:46 am #

    Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrpppppppppppppppppppp…

  32. Eyrie June 25, 2009 at 10:13 am #

    Nice link, dhmo.

  33. Ian Mott June 25, 2009 at 10:17 am #

    Yes, DHMO, it easily converts to Hydrogen Dioxide. It is found in very high concentrations in our water ways and drains and it has been known to cause the death of hundreds of people each year. I also understand it was used as an instrument of torture against islamic militants and is a known fire retardant. It is a key ingredient in toxic algal blooms and has been linked to every single reported instance of fish kills. It is also routinely combined with herbicides to enhance their potency. And a lethal dose of it can render humans brain dead within 5 minutes.

  34. dhmo June 25, 2009 at 10:26 am #

    Ian do you think we could convince Luke et al to start a movement to have WV banned. We see power stations belching the evil stuff out all the time. It is pervading the whole biosphere it must be stopped.

  35. Schiller Thurkettle June 25, 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    Obama understands about the urgent global threats of catastrophic climate warming science!

    “At a time of great fiscal challenges”, Obama announced, “this legislation is paid for by the polluters who currently emit the dangerous carbon emissions that contaminate the water we drink…” From: “Obama urges Congress to move swiftly on climate change bill”, The Guardian (UK), June 23, 2009, http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/23/obama-climate-change-congress

    “the fizz in the soda is actually dissolved carbon dioxide gas…” From: “How to Keep Fizz in Your Soda”, Steve Spangler Science, http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/content/experiment/00000103

    “Carbon dioxide is a critical component of beer.” From: ProBrewer.com, http://www.probrewer.com/resources/library/bp-troubleshooting.php

    “Sapporo Breweries have announced that they will print on the labels of canned beer how much CO2 is emitted per can from the cultivation of barley, including the production of aluminum cans. through to delivery. Similar ideas have been announced by supermarkets in the UK and Sweden…” From: “CO2 labeling on my beer can?” TreeHugger, http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/co2_labeling_on_japanese_food.php

    “First they came for the seltzer and sparkling water, and I did nothing. Then they came for the soda pop, and I did nothing. Then they came for the beer, and now I have none.” From: some dude, somewhere, sometime soon.

  36. Ian Mott June 25, 2009 at 3:45 pm #

    Scene from Cassablanca (where else)

    “And what brings you here Mr Obama?
    Well, I came here for the carbonated waters.
    But we don’t have any carbonated waters, Mr Obama.
    Well sir, I guess I was misinformed”.

    Go on Sam, play it, play it just for me.

  37. Ian Thomson June 26, 2009 at 12:56 am #

    Here it is, the one we have all waited for.

    CO2 getting loose in the atmosphere, escaping from the water ,in the vapour.
    Always knew that we should be watching the sun.

    It is the missing link – Water vapour saturated with evil CO2 -Forced into our precious environment
    and polluting the water. What is causing this ? THE SUN . We can’t tax that to stop it, so what shall we do ?
    Simple. Throw virgins into a lake , that is the time honoured method of appeasing that evil star.

  38. Ian Mott June 26, 2009 at 2:13 am #

    Virgins eh? Older than 12? In Byron Shire? Nah, it’ll never work, too hard to find.

  39. kasphar June 26, 2009 at 6:06 am #

    Have a look at this link to see what scaremongering and misinformation can lead to.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax

    ‘An oldie but a goodie’.

  40. Steve Spangler June 26, 2009 at 7:00 am #

    Jen – You’re hilarious. My staff said that your term “US Scientist” can be replaced with “guy who loves to make a huge mess at the office… because he can.” But I think that title is just too long. Funny post!

  41. hunter June 26, 2009 at 8:39 am #

    If former Obama’s predecessor had made a dummy statement like this about CO2, it would have made headlines, been highlighted on Late night shows, been talked about on various shows as an example of just how out of touch and stupid the Prez is.

  42. Henry chance June 26, 2009 at 11:11 am #

    Today we hear the famous Michael Jackson gave up his life. He dwelt a good time in hyperbric chambers to maintian his youth. (didn’t maintain the innoscense of youth)
    Now when he goes to the grave, he will be gving off O2 that was previously absorbed. Do we all feel better now?
    When can all go take pressure O2 treatments and live longer and healtheir.

  43. Ian Mott June 26, 2009 at 11:48 am #

    Yes, the contrast with the villification of GWB for any minor slip is illuminating.

    Don’t we have someone posting on this blog under the alias of DHMO?

  44. Stevo June 27, 2009 at 11:26 pm #

    Where did people get the idea that CO2 is commercially extracted from the atmosphere? Think about it. 0.03% atmospheric concentration. Why do it that way, when it’s a free byproduct from burning stuff?

    Burning wood, or as a product of yeast digestion, yes. But not all of it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Industrial_production

  45. Val Renouf June 29, 2009 at 2:01 am #

    Increasing Co2 ? …. dechchairs on the titanic …. there are so many other gasses that influence temp (methane has 20 x the effect of co2 but it’s unpopluar to say we shouldn’t eat meat!) …. the biggest factor in climate change is increasing population and thats not happening in developed nations ! … as long as we focus on CO2 and developing nations we’re doomed !

  46. WilliMc June 29, 2009 at 11:53 pm #

    Ah, but when certain carbon embedded solids are allowed to degenerate into substances which “emit the dangerous carbon emissions that contaminate the water we drank . . .” was demonstrated many years ago when two of my buddies lost control of their pickup, left the road, bounced across the bar ditch and tore up almost a mile of barbwire fence. They were lucky it was not a cliff. It can be very, very, dangerous.

    I consider it my bounding duty to destroy as much of this vile product, as possible. So . . . I’ll go pop the cap and a cold brew, and help save the planet.

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