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We Live in an Electric Universe (Part 1) by Louis Hissink

One of the basic working rules in empirical science is the Donald Duck Factor, that when something novel looks, waddles and sounds like a duck, then in all probability it might also be a duck, or at least of the same species. And when a similar structure or shape is found in two disparate phenomena, there is a good chance that both might be formed by a similar process. Such might be in the case of tropical cyclones and spiral galaxies.

Cyclone Nargis.jpg
cyclone Nargis

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spiral galaxy

It is cyclone season in the northern hemisphere of the equatorial regions and yet again humanity has discovered how puny it is in the face of a tropical cyclone when Cyclone Nargis devastated parts of Burma recently. However tropical cyclones, or hurricanes, are not well understood weather phenomena and the formation of tropical cyclones is the topic of extensive ongoing research.

A spiral galaxy is a one belonging to one of the three main classes of galaxy originally described by Edwin Hubble in his 1936 work “The Realm of the Nebulae” and, as such, forms part of the Hubble sequence. Spiral galaxies consist of a flat, rotating disk of stars, gas and dust, and a central concentration of stars known as the bulge. These are surrounded by a much fainter halo of stars, many of which reside in globular clusters.

The origin of the spiral arms in galaxies is not as easy to identify as one may first think. After all, whatever it is that creates the spiral arms must be able to account for a wide variety of spiral structures. Some galaxies have a well-organised spiral structure (grand design spirals), while others are patchy (flocculent spirals). The arms may be wound tightly around the galaxy or may be more open. Some spiral arms originate at the end of bars, others directly from the galactic bulge.

Louis Hissink


124 Responses to “We Live in an Electric Universe (Part 1) by Louis Hissink”

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  1. Comment from: Louis Hissink


    Wikipedia states:

    “Neutronium is a term originally used in science fiction and in popular literature to refer to an extremely dense phase of matter composed primarily of neutrons. The word was coined by scientist Andreas von Antropoff in 1926 (i.e. before the discovery of the neutron itself) for the conjectured ‘element of atomic number zero’ that he placed at the head of the periodic table.[1][2] However, the meaning of the term has changed over time, and from the last half of the 20th century onward it has been used legitimately to refer to extremely dense phases of matter resembling the neutron-degenerate matter POSTULATED to exist in the cores of neutron stars”.

    Postulated to exist does not mean it actually does.

  2. Comment from: James Mayeau

    Louis said – (The earth is electrically isolated from space plasma by Double Layers (AKA Langmuire Sheafs), so any electrical currents that pass through this DL are usually lightning).

    What are the chances that this Langmuire sheaf might leak a bit in some places? That would make them capacitors rather then insulators.
    What if the capacitance is related to air pressure in the troposphere?
    In that case, hurricanes and polar votices would be local expressions of Earth’s connection to the electric universe.

  3. Comment from: Ender

    Louis – “Show us a lump of matter comprised totally of neutrons which we can test and analyse.”

    Sure assuming that you had test instuments made of the same material. How can you then believe in electrons? You cannot measure their velocity and postion at the same time therefore they must be make believe particles invented to explain electricity.

    So the electric universe is also as made up as neutrons stars. So please send me one electron nicely parcelled up for me to see.

  4. Comment from: Louis Hissink


    That’s the basic principle – a leaky capacitor model for the earth, and that would be correct – they are the interface effects between the earth the active solar plasma.

  5. Comment from: Louis Hissink


    You consistently refuse to present empirical evidence for any of your assertions. Since you can’t show the evidence, you conclusively demonstrate that neutronium doesn’t exist, because if it did I would be the first to have to swallow it.

    Thank you for this sterling effort.

  6. Comment from: James Mayeau

    I like this idea. Hurricanes pump up in volume when over water, (water being a great conductor) subside when over land (grounding out).
    Makes sense to me.
    Also explains the patterns of ice melt observed over the poles. The antarctic stores up ice because it is grounded out. The Arctic aurora are more intense over water then land.
    Perhaps the wanderings of the geomagnetic poles have more to do with climate change, then ambiant co2 levels.

  7. Comment from: SJT

    Apply such brilliant logic to AGW and bingo, anything can be denied, nothing is ever proven.

  8. Comment from: Wes George

    “You consistently refuse to present empirical evidence for any of your assertions”

    Jeez, Louis, you’re the dude with the revolutionary new theory the onus is on YOU to produce and convince us with evidence.

    And you consistently refuse to present empirical evidence for any of your assertions!

    Ender doesn’t have to prove anything. Working theories of gravity stand on their own. All Ender has to do is point to them. You do the presenting of new evidence which shows those theories in error and then you present an alternative theory which works better and not just in one narrow sense, but better overall. Can’t cheat and just deny observations that are inconvenient.

    You have to disprove Einstein, Bose, Hawkings, Quantum Physics, E=MC squared and all the rest of it.

    AND present something to replace it all with.

    So cut the baiting and get on with it. Time is a wasting.

    This whole digression into neutrons is a way to lose focus on the topic at hand which is your theory of the universe.

  9. Comment from: Ender

    Louis – “You consistently refuse to present empirical evidence for any of your assertions. Since you can’t show the evidence, you conclusively demonstrate that neutronium doesn’t exist, because if it did I would be the first to have to swallow it.”

    I really do not have to as emperical evidence exists by the ton – one of which is the pulsar. As someone else has said you have the revolutionary theory and it is imcumbent on you to show where your theory has better preditions that the current theory.

  10. Comment from: Louis Hissink


    I am slowly doing that but when neither of you want to examine the information on the various plasma sites, then there is little point in pursuing this.

    Suffice it to say that using Maxwell-Lorentz equations plasma cosmoligists can model the galaxy shapes using Particle in Cell simulation. Peratt has done so many times and published on it. Plasma science can deal with galaxy rotation simply by using the Mawell_lorentz equations and has not needed the invention of hidden matter, black holes and etc.

    It’s all there in the scientific literature. If neither of you wish to read it, there is nothing I can do about that.

  11. Comment from: Wes George

    Actually, Louis, I’m not qualified to judge Maxwell-Lorentz equation base plasma cosmology, but Skipper I thinks she’s gonna blow if we don’t add another dilithium crystal!

    Look, it’s fine to believe in whatever you folks want. I know a perfectly nice homeopath and we’re good friends. Another friend of mine was almost abducted by aliens. (They confiscated his esky of XXXX instead.) Go figure.

    Louis says that he is “slowly” working on a refutation of Einstein, quantum physics and a century of astrophysical work. Well, bloody hell, man, don’t tell me you done come to battle with no arms. You called the meeting now you tell us to hang on while you go back and rustle up the facts???

    BZZZT. You lose. Game over. To continue add another 50 cents.

    What I object to is the insinuation this thread seems to make that your particular brand of quackery is similar to rational brands of AGW scepticism. SJT sees that clearly!

    On the contrary, your unsubstantiated claims for a whole new revolutionary cosmology have more in common with unsubstantiated claims for a whole new CO2 driven climatology.

    They both rely on vast oversimplification of the problem. Electrical plasmas account for everything, GHG drives the climate.

    And they both thrive on ignoring any observations that don’t fit the new model. Extremes of gravity, time space continuum, relativity, dimension beyond the third, The 3rd law of Thermodynamics, gravitional lens, theories of both evolution and probabilities, etc. etc.

    AGW theory: Medieval warm period, natural interglacial warming, complexity theory, etc.

    Unfortunately for the Electric Universe theory, unlike AGW, there is no convenient political handle for Al Gore to grab on to, or you blokes would all be famous now.

    I remain sided with the skeptics both in climatological matters and as in regards to your new Flat Universe theory.

    I think it is important though that we don’t equate crank theories of the universe with AGW scepticism. The mere existence of this thread on our host’s blog is somewhat uncomfortable, and if I were in the Al Gore camp I would link to it as evidence for the irrational quackery of the sceptics. (Luke, don’t you dare!)

    And do have one last question for Mr. Hissink, before I give it up.

    Is it true, as Ender and Luke said, that you have an alternative theory for geological plate tectonics as well?

  12. Comment from: Louis Hissink


    I never said that, I am slowly working on an exposition of the Theory of the Electric Universe.

    As for plate tectonics, please read the literature at

    It isn’t my theory by a theory developed by many geoscientists.

    And pleasae We do give up, because the electric universe theory has aleady by published by Anthony Peratt in 1992, The Physics of the PLasma Universe”, and a list of papers published


    Hannes Alfvén, 1908–1995. A. L. Peratt

    Birkeland and the Electromagnetic Cosmology, A. L. Peratt, Sky & Tel.May 1985 (696KB)

    Model of the Plasma Universe, H. Alfvén, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. Vol PS-14, 1986 (1.1MB)

    Cosmology in the Plasma Universe: An Introductory Exposition, H. Alfvén, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. 18, 1990 (740KB)

    Plasma Cosmology, A.L. Peratt, Sky & Tel. Feb. 1992 (552KB)

    Not With A Bang, A. L. Peratt, The Sciences, New York Academy of Sciences, January/February, 1990, Part A (452K), Part B(536K)


    The Evidence For Electrical Currents in Cosmic Plasma, A. L. Peratt, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. 18, p.26 (1990) (548KB).

    Plasma Experiments in the Laboratory and Space, A. L. Peratt, C.-G. Fälthammar, and N. Rynn (1992) (548KB)

    Equilibrium of Intergalactic Currents, B. E. Meierovich and A. L. Peratt, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. 20, p.891, 1992 (152KB)

    Advances in Numerical Modeling of Astrophysical and Space Plasma, A. L. Peratt, APSS 242, 1997 (3.3MB)

    Advances in Numerical Modeling of Astrophysical and Space Plasma, Part II Astrophysical Force Laws on the Large Scale. A. L. Peratt, APSS 256, 1998 (2.1MB)

    Advances in Numerical Modeling of Astrophysical and Space Plasma, Part II Astrophysical Force Laws on the Large Scale. A .L. Peratt, APSS 256, 1998 [Adobe annotated edition] (8.3MB)


    Introduction to Plasma Astrophysics and Cosmology, A. L. Peratt, Astrophys. Space Sci. 227, 3-11 (1995) (576KB)

    The Redshift Revisited A.K.T. Assis and M.C.D. Neves(36KB), Astrophys. Space Sci. 227, 13-24, 1995 (696K)

    The Temperature of Space, C.H. Guillame 1896 (108KB)

    Thermalization of synchrotron radiation from field-aligned currents, W. Peter and A. Peratt, Laser and Particle Beams, vol. 6, part 3, pp. 493-501, 1988 (560K)

    COBE Satellite Finds No Hint of Excess in the Cosmic Microwave Spectrum, Physics Today, 1990 (128K).

    COBE Sows Cosmological Confusion, Science, vol. 257, 28, 1992 (356K).

    Fretting About Statistics, Daniel Kleppner, Physics Today, July 1992 (236KB).


    Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies, H. Arp, Astrophys. J., Supplement Series, 123-132, 1966 (152K).

    Evolution of the Plasma Universe: I. Double Radio Galaxies, Quasars, and Extragalactic Jets, A. L. Peratt, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. Vol. PS-14, N.6, pp.639-660, December 1986.(1.7M)

    Evolution of the Plasma Universe: II. The Formation of Systems of Galaxies, A. L. Peratt, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. Vol. PS-14, N.6, pp.763-778, December 1986 (1.9M).

    The Role of Particle Beams and Electrical Currents in the Plasma Universe, A. L. Peratt, Laser and Particle Beams, vol.6, part.3, pp.471-491, 1988.


    Electrical Engineering, Plasma Science, and the Plasma Universe, A. L. Peratt, 1986 (312KB)

    The Golden Anniversary of Magnetic Storms and the Aurorae, T. A. Potemra and A. L. Peratt, 1989 (516KB)

    Guest Editorial: The IEEE International Conference on Plasma Cosmology, La Jolla, CA, A. L. Peratt, 1990 (1.1MB)

    Guest Editorial: Plasma Experiments in the Laboratory and in Space, A. L. Peratt, C.-G. Fälthammar, N. Rynn, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. 1992 (548K).

    Guest Editorial, Space Weather Effects, S. T. Lai, N. Singh, A. L. Peratt, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. December 2000 (36K).

    Guest Editorial Sixth Special Issue on Space and Cosmic Plasma, A. L. Peratt and C.-G. Fälthammer, December 2003 (1.4MB)


    Evolution of Colliding Plasmas, A. Peratt, J. Green, and D. Nielsen, Physical Review Letters, 44, pp. 1767-1770, 1980 (248K).

    Microwave Generation from Filamentation and Vortex Formation within Magnetically Confined Electron Beams, A. L. Peratt and C. M. Snell, Physical Review Letters, 54, pp. 1167-1170, 1985 (688K).

    A Particle-in-Cell Simulation of a Cyclic Beam Buncher, A. L. Peratt, C. M. Snell, and F. S. Felber, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. 18, p.626, (1990) (448KB).


    Comments on Tired-Light Mechanisms, H. Arp, IEEE TPS v.18, 1990 (136K).

    Evidence for Quantized and Variable Redshifts in the Cosmic Background Rest Frame , W. G. Tifft, in Modern Mathematical Models of Time and Their Applications to Physics and Cosmology, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Dordrecht, 1997 (1.2M).

    Redshifts and Blueshifts of Spectral Lines Emitted by Two Correlated Sources, E. Wolf, Phys. Rev. Letters, 58, 2646, 1987 (176K)

    Shifts of Spectral Lines Caused by Scattering from Fluctuating Random Media, D. F. V. James, M. P. Savedoff, and E. Wolf, Astrophysical J., 359, 67, 1990 (448K).


    Filamentation of Volcanic Plumes on the Jovian Satellite Io, A. L. Peratt and A. J. Dessler, Astrophys. Space Sci. 144, pp. 451-461, 1988 (1M).

    Was the Titius-Bode Series Dictated by the Minimum Energy States of the Generic Solar Plasma? E. Wells, IEEE TPS v.18, 1990 (264K).

    Interstellar Neutral Hydrogen Filaments at High Galactic Latitudes and the Bennett Pinch, G. L. Verschuur, Astrophys. Space Sci. 227, pp. 187-198, 1995 (776K).

    Radiation Properties of Pulsar Magnetospheres: Observation, Theory, and Experiment. K. Healy and A. Peratt, Astrophys. Space Sci. 227, 1995 (1.1MB).

    Galactic Neutral Hydrogen Emission Profile Structure, G. L. Verschuur and A. L. Peratt, Astron. J. 118, pp.1252-1267, 1999 (672K).

    Observation of the CIV Effect in Interstellar Clouds: A Speculation on the Physical Mechanism for Their Existence, A. L. Peratt and G. L. Verschuur, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. December 2000 (344K).

    Trends in Apparent Time Intervals Between Multiple Supernovae Occurrences, E. Sanders, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci.31, pp.1252-1262, 2003 (408Kb)


    Plasma Physics from Laboratory to Cosmos—The Life and Achievements of Hannes Alfvén, C.-G. Fälthammar (808KB)

    Dean of the Plasma Dissidents, A. L. Peratt, The World & I, Natural Science Sec., pp.190-197, May 1988, (4 MB)

    A Tribute to Oscar Buneman—Pioneer of Plasma Simulation, R. Buneman, R. J. Barker, A. L. Peratt, S. H. Brecht, A. B. Langdon, H. R. Lewis, IEEE Trans.Plasma Sci. 22, 1994 (1.2MB)

    Particle Beams and Basic Plasma Phenomena in the Plasma Universe: A Special Issue in Honor of the 80th Birthday of Hannes Alfvén, Laser and Particle Beams, (464KB)

    Container Lists — Hannes Alfvén

    In Memoriam Grote Reber 1911-2002 Founder of Radio Astronomy, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. 31, December 2003 (372kB)


    Characteristics for the Occurrence of a High-Current, Z-Pinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity, A. L. Peratt, Trans. Plasma Sci. V.31, N.6, pp. 1102-1214, December 2003.

    Evidence for an Intense Aurora Recorded in Antiquity, A. L. Peratt, IEEE Int. Conf. Plasma Sci,.Conference Record, Jeju, Korea, June 2003. p.143 (328kB).

    The Origin of Petroglyphs—Recordings of a Catastrophic Aurora in Human Prehistory? D. A. Scott and A. L. Peratt, IEEE Int. Conf. Plasma Sci., Conference Record, Jeju, Korea, June 2003. p.143 (84kB).

    Stonehenge—A Giant Petroglyph? University of Pennsylvania Almanac, Vol.48, No. 08, October 2001 (Update February 18, 2004)(248kB).

    Derivation of the Chandrasekhar-Fermi-Shafranov Equations and Their Graphical Solution with a High Fidelity Computational Facility, A. L. Peratt, 2004, In preparation

    Problems of Gravitational Stability in the Presence of a Magnetic Field, S. Chandrasekhar and E. Fermi, Astrophys. J., V.118, pp. 116-141, 1953. (1.8MB).

    Orientation of Intense Z-Pinch Instabilities from an Intense Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity: Western USA, A. L. Peratt, IEEE Int. Conf. Plasma Sci., Conference Record, Baltimore, Maryland, USA, June 2004.

    Orientation of Z-Pinch Instabilities from an Intense Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity: South America, D. Scott and A. L. Peratt, IEEE Int. Conf. Plasma Sci., Conference Record, Baltimore, Maryland, USA, June 2004.

    Orientation of Intense Z-Pinch Instabilities from an Intense Aurora as Recorded in Prehistory. A. L. Peratt, , D. A. Scott, and M. A. van der Sluijs. Bulletin of The American Physical Society, 46th Annual Meeting of the Division of Plasma Physics, Savannah, Georgia, 2004.

    “Multiple Platform Application of 3D CAD PIC Simulations in Pulsed Power: The Coaxial Plasma Thruster”, Invited Paper, A. L. Peratt and M. A. Mostrom, IEEE International Conference on Plasma Science, Madison, WI.,1995 (4.6MB Quicktime Movie)

    Others have alrady done it for me, so I don’t really need to re-invent the wheel.

  13. Comment from: Louis Hissink

    Wes George

    I suspect it is a pseudonym, and I decided to read the rest of your post above.

    I suspect you might need to review your impatient conclusion.

  14. Comment from: Wes George

    Wow, Louis

    I hope some of the above is online.

    Got some reading for the evening! I think I will start with:

    “Stonehenge—A Giant Petroglyph? University of Pennsylvania Almanac, Vol.48, No. 08, October 2001 (Update February 18, 2004)(248kB)”

    I hope you haven’t padded this reading list out any?

    As for plate tectonics, the link you gave is a dead end:

    You have to cough up $ to see the contents. So hard to judge what is going on there. However, the homepage did say that the NCGT was:

    “Forum for discussion of such ideas and work which has been inhibited in existing channels. This should cover a very wide scope from such aspects as the effect of the rotation of the earth and planetary and galactic effects, major theories of development of the earth, lineaments, interpretation of earthquake data, major times of tectonic and biological change, and so on.”

    “Galactic effects” on plate tectonics? Puh-leeze. Come on, Louis, I thought you were an electric guy. How’s the galaxy suppose to effect plate tectonics if not through some sort of quantum entanglement, but hey, you don’t believe in quantum states with the electric universe.

    I think I also heard you once mention the name Veliokosky as a geological reference. In fact, I am a great long time fan of Veliokosky, but from an epistemological and punctuated equilibrium evolutionary POV. I particularly love his descriptions of 5,000 meter high tsunamis washing across the Asian steppes during magnetic polar shifts. Mind bogglingly stuff.

    Mate, I could be well wrong, but outside of the sciences that are being politically manipulated, “ideas and work which has been inhibited in existing channels,” should, in theory, be work that didn’t pass the peer review smell test..

    Thank God for the Internet. So if your blokes at NCGT can’t find a publisher, I think they ought to get together with my almost-alien-abducted mate to compare conspiracy notes over a few beers.

    Of course, if it quacks like Donald duck it could still be Bugs Bunny! I have an open mind.

  15. Comment from: James Mayeau

    Reading through the lightening section of the thunderbolt blog, I found this intriging bit of news;
    “Perhaps lightning also powers the wind… Perhaps hurricanes and tornadoes and even dust devils are electrical vortices. Only recently have investigators thought to look for electric fields in dust devils—and have found quite strong ones.”

    Wouldn’t it be something to develop a tornado dampening version of a lightening rod?
    Might be do-able. – link

  16. Comment from: Ian Beale

    Electrical fields in dust devils – maybe the glider pilots long sought thermal detector is getting closer

  17. Comment from: Louis Hissink


    I am reminded of Benjamin Franklin’s experiment when he flew a kite into a thunderstorm. Not a useful thing to do.

    That said, we have an enormous energy potential in front of us and not the wit to make use of it. I wonder what Tesla was designing all those years back.

    As for electrical discharges powering wind, I cottoned onto that when I came across the ioniser gadgets, but balked from doing much about it as that meant dealing with large electrical currents.

    However, as we now know from research and lab experiments, we can simulate it without needing to deal with life threatening electrical currents.

    I am still wondering how one might get electrical energy out of the earth’s surficial electric field.

  18. Comment from: Louis Hissink

    Ian Beale

    Dust devils – the real problem in understanding those is how to measure the data.

    How on earth does one measure a seemingly randomly moving vortex?

    With great difficulty

  19. Comment from: Louis Hissink


    NCGT papers are being published, and NCGT has financial support, so it might be useful to read the newer issues.

    Or are you here for another purpose?

  20. Comment from: Denialist Scum

    The discussion about Neutronium (and some of the other comments) makes me wonder if it is somehow related to Governmentium:

    Governmentium (Gv):
    A major research institution (MRI) has recently announced the discovery of the heaviest chemical element yet known to science. The new element has been tentatively named Governmentium. Governmentium has 1 neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected as it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A minute amount of Governmentium causes one reaction to take over four days to complete when it would normally take less than a second. Governmentium has a normal half-life of three years; it does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium’s mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause some morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.

    This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to speculate that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as Critical Morass.

  21. Comment from: sunsettommy

    Louis, having not read Mr. Scott’s book I don’t know if he makes an attempt to explain the cosmological ramifications that his theories make for how our universe is shape, was formed, is now working and where it is going in a lay person’s English.

    Perhaps, you could make an attempt to explain his new cosmology with as few jargons as possible and without mathematics for the lay folks, such as myself?

    After looking at his website, I must admit, I could use a summary.

    Posted by: Wes George at May 11, 2008 04:45 PM

    Here is a basic background in this link:

    A Brief History of Plasma I

    Here is another link.With a collection of posted articles.In the articles are links that leads back to the original source.

  22. Comment from: Louis Hissink

    Thanks Sunsettommy, much appreciated,

  23. Comment from: James Mayeau

    Louis, using a Ben Franklin kite to direct the voltage was the first thing that came to mind, but the problem is a leaking capacitor.
    Perhaps, instead of channeling the leak, a better solution would be to plug the hole.
    I know in the transistor world it’s cheaper to pluck out a faulty capacitor and plug in a new one, but if you absolutely had to, could a leaking capacitor be mended?
    What is a Langmuire Sheaf? Can it be augmented?
    How would you go about doing that?

  24. Comment from: KickLaBuka

    I’ve read Scott’s book. And Hilton Ratcliffe’s, and a few others. I also have a BS in Physics, where electromagnetic theory was a requirement. I would love to go to Los Alamos and meet these great minds, and share ideas. If they still exist, please direct me to any questions regarding this matter and I can probably help you to shake hands with The Electric Sky.

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