Following are 12 pages of sampling of news reports from the US and around the world for October 2008, via Marc Morano in Washington, providing some anecdotal evidence that global warming has perhaps stalled:
Delayed World Series raises anger after frigid weather – Sportswriter. October 29, 2008. Excerpt: Al Gore is full of crap. The predictor of global-warming doom and gloom is way off base, at least in late October in frigid eastern Pennsylvania. Consider that when Major League Baseball called off its first makeup date of the suspended Game 5 early yesterday, the weather conditions were far worse than they had been Monday. Rescheduled again for tonight at 8, the forecast is also bad. A cold rain continued all day yesterday with up to 30 centimetres of snow reported…” http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/526445
Cold spring, summer stunts apple production in Washington State – October 27, 2008. Excerpt: As the apple season wraps up in Whatcom County, some local orchardists are having to cope with lower yields caused by a cold spring and summer. “The quality is there, however, there’s going to be a lot (of apples) left hanging on the tree that we can normally pick” because they won’t ripen in time, said Dorie Belisle. http://www.bellinghamherald.com/602/story/628109.html
Arctic sea ice almost 2 million square kilometers higher than a year ago – Physicist Dr. Lubos Motl. Excerpt: The total Arctic sea ice area is currently almost 2 million square kilometers higher than one year ago. It is near normal for the end of October. http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/10/snow-in-london-freezing-florida.html
Brrr. – Obama to global warming demonstrators: ‘This is probably not the weather to hold up those signs…it’s a little chilly today’ – October 28, 2008. Excerpt: Obama paid tribute to thousands of hardy supporters who turned out for a rally in Chester, Pennsylvania despite the bone-chilling rain and driving winds. […] A little bit of rain never hurt anybody,” Obama said, “although I’ve got to say I saw (Pennsylvania Governor) Ed Rendell back stage and his teeth were chattering. “This is an unbelievable crowd for this kind of weather,” he added, gently ribbing some supporters for holding up signs saying “stop global warming.” “This is probably not the weather to hold up those signs. I’m not into global warming either but it’s a little chilly today.” http://www.spacedaily.com/2006/081028141942.0hrwev3w.html
‘Coldest’ Day in 51 Years Expected In Orlando; 2 Records Likely Broken. Excerpt: A cold front moving through Orlando is dropping temperatures to record lows for the end of October, likely breaking several 50-year “coldest day” marks. “If we don’t hit 67 degrees, it will be the coldest we’ve ever been on Oct. 28,” Local 6 meteorologist Eric Wilson said. “Sixty-seven degrees is the old, lowest maximum temperatures, meaning the coldest day 51 years ago.” The lowest temperature for Orlando on Oct. 28 was 67 degrees in 1957. http://www.local6.com/weather/17819728/detail.html
Gore’s global warming speech at Harvard coincided with near 125-year record breaking low temps! – October 22, 2008. Excerpt: For tomorrow night, the temperature in Cambridge is forecast to drop below the freezing point to 28 °F which, if true, will beat the record low temperature set in 1883, which means exactly 125 years ago, when it was 29 °F. Not bad! Moreover, the phenomenon present in Cambridge in order to discuss global warming seems to be driving rain and hail, with the probability of rain indicated as 60%. 😉 At 1 p.m. local time, they report a cloudy weather with isolated showers. According to website of former Harvard Professor Dr. Lubos Motl: http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/10/gore-effect-arrives-to-harvard.html
Letter from Harvard Uni on Gore’s speech.: ‘Today’s weather will hardly remind us of the serious problem that is global warming’ – October 22, 2008. Excerpt: Dear Members of the Harvard Community, Although today’s weather will hardly remind us of the serious problem that is global warming, today’s event – the Harvard Sustainability Celebration, with a keynote address by former Vice President Al Gore – will go on, as scheduled, in Tercentenary Theatre with a program beginning at 4 p.m. We very much hope that you will attend and enjoy the festivities. Starting at 3 p.m., we will be serving hot cider and soup to keep everyone warm; please dress for our changeable New England weather. Henry Longfellow, onetime Harvard professor and longtime Cantabrigian, once remarked, “The best thing one can do when it’s raining is to let it rain.” We sincerely hope that, this afternoon, it won’t rain. But even if it does, Harvard celebrates Sustainability with spirits undampened. Sincerely, The Sustainability Celebration Committee Office of the President. http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/10/gore-effect-arrives-to-harvard.html
No Joke! Cyclists ‘braved freezing cold temps’ to promote global warming awareness in New York – October 22, 2008. Excerpt: Student volunteers from colleges around New York State braved freezing cold temperatures on their bikes Wednesday to send a message to state and federal political candidates: pay attention to climate change. The New York Public Interest Research Group helped organize the ride. Environmentalists cheered on the bikers as they stopped in Utica around noon. They want candidates to let voters know what they plan to do about global warming and the energy crisis. http://www.wktv.com/news/local/32477839.html
U.S. Gripped by Record Cold – October 29, 2008 – By Physicist Dr. Lubos Motl. Three days ago, Anthony Watts mentioned the record cold temperatures in 10 U.S. states, as a big snowstorm was going to close a major highway and schools in the Northeast, including PA, NY, NJ, and VT, catching everyone off-guard. http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/10/snow-in-london-freezing-florida.html
‘Temperatures at mid-January levels’ — Near-record cold and snow blankets the Carolinas – October 28, 2008. Excerpt: Welcome to winter … well, a taste of it, at least. The coldest air of the season, with temperatures at mid-January levels, has blanketed the Carolinas. That will mean near-record daytime temperatures today in Charlotte, and possibly a few inches of snow in the mountains. The cold snap will relent in time for Halloween on Friday, but chilly air will return again later in the weekend. This morning’s temperatures are in the low and middle 30s across the Piedmont and foothills. A strong upper-level storm system over the Great Lakes is pumping cold, unstable air across the Carolinas. That means we’ll have chilly northwest winds accompanying today’s cold. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/local/story/283717.html
NOAA: U.S. breaks or ties 115 cold and sets 63 new snowfall records – Meteorologist Anthony Watts – October 30, 2008. Excerpt: Of course many of you that live in this weather already know this, but there is an early start to winter this year, not only in the USA, but also in London, where it snowed in October for the first time in over 70 years. So far, no mention of this nationwide record event in the mainstream media. There are a few individual mentions or record lows in Florida. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/30/chill-in-the-air-part-2-us-breaks-or-ties-115-of-cold-and-sets-63-new-snowfall-records
U.S. breaks or ties 139 cold temperature records! (NOAA data for ‘lowest minimum temperature’ for October 28, 2008). Excerpt: Total Number of Records for October 28, 2008 – (out of 5,649 stations with at least 30 years of data) – New: 92 + Tied: 47 = Total: 139. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/records/index.php?ts=daily&elem=mint&month=10&day=28&year=2008&submitted=Get+Records
U.S. sees 63 new snowfall records! (NOAA data for record snowfall for October 29, 2008) . Excerpt: Total Number of Records for October 29, 2008 – (out of 11,161 stations with at least 30 years of data) = New: 63 + Tied: 0 = Total: 63. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/records/index.php?ts=daily&elem=snow&month=10&day=29&year=2008&submitted=Get+Records
U.S. breaks or ties 168 cold temperature records! (NOAA data for ‘lowest maximum temperature’ for October 29, 2008. Excerpt: Total Number of Records for October 29, 2008 – (out of 5,364 stations with at least 30 years of data) – New: 120 + Tied: 48 = Total: 168. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/records/index.php?ts=daily&elem=lomx&month=10&day=29&year=2008&submitted=Get+Records
Chill in the air: record low temps in 10 states – From Meteorologist Anthony Watts – October 26, 2008. Excerpt: As many readers know, we’ve had an earlier than normal start to fall weather in the USA, and the cold just keeps on coming. Here is a summary of record low temperatures seen recently, courtesy of this website called IceAgeNow. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/
Parts of Florida see coldest temps since 1850! Excerpt: Though there was a reading of freezing or below throughout northwest Marion County, Wednesday morning’s official low temperature was 33 degrees. It was a record for Oct. 29 and the second lowest temperature ever recorded in October since 1850. Ocala’s official weather site is at the city water treatment plant on Southeast 24th Street. Until Wednesday, Oct. 29’s record temperature was 37 in 1943 and a close second was 38 degrees in 1957. “It did hit 32 degrees in October 1989,” said Mike McAllister, a National Weather Service meteorologist who spent Wednesday morning searching databases to gather official October weather records for Ocala. http://www.ocala.com/article/20081030/NEWS/810301012/1001/NEWS01?Title=Record_cold_swept_over_the_region_Wednesday
Parts of Florida facing coldest temps since records began in 1902 – October 29, 2008. Excerpt: It has been colder before in Southwest Florida, but not in October. The record low for Oct. 29 in the Fort Myers area is 47 degrees, according to Charlie Paxton, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service — that was in 1910.“That would be the coldest since (weather) records began in 1902,” Paxton said.http://www.cape-coral-daily-breeze.com/news/articles.asp?articleID=22316
Record-breaking cold snap creates crisis among homeless in Florida – October 30, 2008. Excerpt: The record-breaking cold snap in Gainesville this week has been uncomfortable for many while creating a crisis for some of society’s most vulnerable, the homeless. On Wednesday a plea went out on behalf of the area’s homeless for more blankets and other warming items like hats and gloves. http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20081030/NEWS/810300259
Record Low Temperatures in Cuba – October 30, 2008. Excerpt: The ephemeral winter of Cuba began with record low temperatures for October in several western regions. According to Cuban Meteorology Institute reports, the lowest temperature was registered in Guines, Havana where thermometers dropped to 9°C (48.2°F). http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC322765D-6074-48D1-BFDA-5AF80B6D56B8%7D)&language=EN
First October snow since 1922 blankets London as global warming bill debated – UK Register – October 29, 2008. Excerpt: Snow fell as the House of Commons debated Global Warming yesterday – the first October fall in the metropolis since 1922. The Mother of Parliaments was discussing the Mother of All Bills for the last time, in a marathon six hour session. In order to combat a projected two degree centigrade rise in global temperature, the Climate Change Bill pledges the UK to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions by 80 per cent by 2050. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/29/commons_climate_change_bill
Snow sweeps across the UK as temperatures plunge lower than Siberia – October 29, 2008. Excerpt: A blast of Arctic weather today saw snow showers sweep across the country leaving the UK shivering. A thick covering of snow was reported across Scotland and Northern Ireland, with heavy showers recorded as far south as Birmingham. Forecasters predicted blizzards may hit northern areas of Britain tonight and in some parts of Scotland the temperature may fall as low as -8C. The chilly forecast follows the revelation that hundreds of Bewick’s swans, which were due to return to an English nature reserve for the ‘warmer’ winter, are staying put in Siberia because it is colder in the UK. http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1081135/Snow-sweeps-UK-chilly-blast-sends-temperatures-plunging-lower-Siberia.html
Switzerland sees ‘most snow for any October since records began’ – October 30, 2008. Excerpt: A heavy, wet snow snapped trees, which fell across tracks. The most affected regions included Zurich, Schaffhausen in the north and the areas around the Gotthard pass in central Switzerland. Passengers moving between Spiez and Interlaken south of Bern were forced to take buses when rail service there was interrupted around 7am. Broken branches and trees blocked roads. Farmers in the Bernese Oberland also awoke to snow-related problems. Damaged fences allowed their cows to wander freely. According to MeteoNews, the Swiss lowlands received the most snow for any October since records began. http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/travel/Record_snow_storm_triggers_delays.html?siteSect=414&sid=9908046&cKey=1225359314000&ty=nd
‘Worst snowstorm on record’ in Tibet kills 7 — strands 1300 people – October 30, 2008. Excerpt: The death toll has risen to seven, and one person remains missing, as a result of the worst snowstorm on record in Tibet, the local authority said on Thursday. About 144,400 heads of livestock died in the storm, which also knocked out telecommunications and traffic in parts of Shannan prefecture. Another 1,300 people remain stranded by damaged buildings or blocked roads in Lhunze, Cuona and Comai counties, an official from the Shannan prefecture government told Xinhua. The storm, which started on Sunday, dumped close to 64 cm of snow in one county. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-10/30/content_10282004.htm
Early snowfalls causing chaos in coldest October for 74 years in Ireland – October 20, 2008. Excerpt: THESE are the dramatic snow scenes from the Sallygap in Wicklow yesterday as the heavy snow caused a car to veer off the road. Tour buses ferrying sightseeing tourists across the mountain also got stuck in snow in our coldest October in over 70 years. Snow fell heavily in parts of the country as temperatures dropped to four degrees, the lowest daytime temperature in October since 1934. http://www.herald.ie/national-news/early-snowfalls-causing-chaos-in-coldest-october-for-74-years-1513451.html
New Jersey’s record snowfall causes power outages – October 30, 2008. Excerpt: The stupefying wintry blast Tuesday sparked 215 emergency calls in Hopatcong alone — residents said live wires were on the road, the “trees were smoking,” and one family’s laundry room caught on fire when a transformer fired off an electrical surge. “We had to call in reinforcements because there was so much going on,” Lt. Bob Brennan said, noting officers came in on their day off. The storm dumped a record amount for an October snowstorm in New Jersey, according to Nick Stefano of the Sussex County Weather Network. http://www.njherald.com/story/news/30POWER-web2008-10-29T20-37-30
Broken water mains dot the Toronto following cold weather – October 30, 2008. Excerpt: Broken water mains are flooding the city with trouble Thursday morning as crews scramble to shut off water feeds and fix the leaks. More watermain breaks are expected as the temperature fluctuate and old pipes crack. But there was one pipe burst in the city overnight that wasn’t caused by the cold. A truck turning onto Jamieson from King Street hit an exposed water pipe at a construction site overnight, sending water shooting into the air. http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081030/081030_watermain/20081030/?hub=CP24Home
‘Meteorologists track the latest cooling cycle to 1998’ – October 29, 2008. Excerpt: Some folks in my home state of New Jersey woke up to a blanket of snow the same week as Halloween. The state’s largest daily headlined the story as “October Surprise: Snowfall snarls traffic and cuts power to 62,000 homes.” […] Snow in October is, indeed, a surprise to most, but not to those of us who, for years now, have been both debunking the “global warming” hoax and warning about a coming ice age. It may be one of short duration as in the case of the Little Ice Age that gripped the northern hemisphere from around 1300 to 1850 or it could be another like previous, major ice ages that alter history. If you visit http://www.iceagenow.com/2008_Other_Parts_of_the_World.htm you can read about scores of weather events occurring right now that attest to the way the entire world has gotten much colder of late. Meteorologists track the latest cooling cycle to 1998, making it a decade old at this point with no end in sight for decades to come or longer. From Austria to Australia, in places like Costa Rica and New Zealand, all around the world the Earth is getting cold and snow is occurring. To ignore this is pure folly. To continue passing legislation to reduce the emission of carbon dioxide (CO2) or other “greenhouse gases” isn’t just stupid, it is lethal. What people are going to need more of is the energy to heat their homes and workplaces. Thwarting the building of more coal-fired or nuclear plants to generate electricity is suicidal. http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2008/10/snowy-halloween.html
Parts of North America have also been hit by wintry weather. Excerpt: Fargo, North Dakota, breaking its previous record for snowfall at this time of year. Around 1.4 inches (36mm) or snow fell in just 12 hours on Sunday. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/28102008news.shtml
Snow forecast in Ireland – “More suited for the first week of December, not the last week of October” – October 26 –“An early blast of winter is set to hit Ireland early next week. This is quite unusual as Ireland on average gets her first air frost around October 23rd. The following forecast is from the national weather service (http://www.met.ie/) issued at 5am UTC on Sunday 26th October. This forecast would be more suited for the first week of December, not the last week of October.FORECAST: Monday will be cold and blustery, with a mixture of sunshine and showers. … Some of the showers will fall as hail or sleet, with a risk of snow on high ground in northern areas. Highest temperatures will range from 6 to 9 degrees.
http://iceagenow.com/2008_Other_Parts_of_the_World.htm
Brisbane, Australia, has coldest October morning since 1976 – 23 October 08 – Excerpt: Cold winds blowing up from the snow-capped Blue Mountains have given Brisbane its coldest October morning in 32 years. The mercury fell to 10.6 degrees in the City, more than five degrees below average for this time of year. The previous low for October was 7.3 degrees in 1976. Brisbane recorded 6.3 degrees in October in 1899 at a now-disused weather station.
http://iceagenow.com/2008_Other_Parts_of_the_World.htm
Record cold snap brings snow to Australia – 22 Oct 08 – Excerpt: Record cold temperatures have brought snow to the Blue Mountains and southern tablelands in NSW and wet and windy weather to the state’s coast. Temperatures dipped to three degrees celsius near Blackheath, west of Sydney, early this morning and pockets of snow fell in Leura and west of Katoomba at Oberon. Snow was also reported in the southern tablelands at Cooma and in Bombala, near the Victorian border. Bureau of Meteorology (BoM) forecaster Jane Golding said average temperatures in the Blue Mountains for October ranged from seven to 18 degrees. In Sydney today, the temperature is forecast to be 15 degrees, an October temperature which has only been seen twice in the past 14 years, Ms Golding said. Average maximum temperatures for Sydney in October are around 22 degrees. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24534632-953,00.html
Start stocking up nuts? – This year has started like ‘93, but will it end like it? – October 20, 2008. Excerpt: The other day, some weather geek friends of mine and I were exchanging emails about the early snow that was happening in Ithaca, NY. […] This year has started like ‘93, but will it end like it? Meteorologists often forecast by analogy. What’s that? Well, nothing more than looking at some pattern in the weather that happened sometime in the past, noticing that today’s pattern is similar, and then forecasting what will happen as what did happen. Weather weenies—the affectionate nickname given to those who memorize every storm since their birth—often use this technique to good success. […] I won’t tell you my forecast. I will tell you I bought a brand new, thick overcoat. http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/10/30/start-stocking-up-nuts
Cool days, frosty nights, chillier winter coming (Philly.com). Excerpt: Looking further ahead, this winter is likely to be colder than it has been for years, according to AccuWeather. It has to be snowier in the Philadelphia area, since hardly any snow fell last year. Meteorologist Joe Bastardi predicts a rough December, followed by a January thaw, before another spell of bitter cold in late January and February. The woolly worms of Lewisburg, Pa., disagree, however. After checking a batch of the crawly creatures over the weekend, observers prognosticated a mild winter, with just two or three days of school canceled because of snow, according to the Milton Daily Standard. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/31001379.html
‘Global warming believers are feeling a chill they never expected’ – Australian Herald Sun – Andrew Bolt – October 31, 2008 12:00am. Excerpt: Brisbane, his home town, had just endured its coldest October morning in 32 years, yet here was Swan telling us to spend billions in the belief the planet was cooking instead. It’s not only here that global warming believers are feeling a chill they never expected. […] And, of course, the Government is spending $164,000 a day on ads to persuade us that this recent cooling should be called “climate change” – and proof of warming instead. Weird, yet it works. Cooling is warming, and not even snow can persuade politicians they’re not frying. http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24578374-5000117,00.html
Polar Bears Population Rising: ‘Largest number of polar bears recorded in the history’ of survey in Churchill area – October 20, 2008. Excerpt: This seems to have translated through the larger population with 266 polar bears being counted on the fall aerial survey in September. This is the largest number of bears recorded in the history of this survey. […] Manitoba Conservation does an annual aerial survey from the Churchill area to the Manitoba/Ontario border, roughly the inland range of the polar bears of western Hudson Bay. In late July (the 22nd I believe), they flew the range and counted around 34 bears. Most were still out on the bay feasting on seals. In fact, there were still two little bits of ice floe in southwestern Hudson Bay on August 22nd…! This means that many of the bears stayed out on the ice until mid-August, almost a month later than usual (or at least, earlier than usual for the last decade, but simply similar to the ‘glory days’ of the early eighties). So, almost all of the bears visiting Churchill are in really good shape (around ten to twelve in buggyland right now). http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2008/10/churchill-area-fall-aerial-survey-found.html – From October 20, 2008 entry from http://www.polarbearalley.com/index.html
Cold Old Days May not Have been as Cold As you Remember – October 23, 2008. Excerpt: COLD OLD DAYS Occasionally I hear some old-timer remark, “It doesn’t seem as cold now as it did when I was a child!” Well, I guess not. Seventy years ago most people were living in uninsulated houses — especially in the country — and heaters (like radios) were extras on new vehicles. Everyone gathered around a wood stove in the kitchen for the only “central heat” in the house, and likely as not a dry snow would blow through the cracks around windows and pile up onto the sills. Now we turn the thermostat up to stay warm and walk 50 feet to our cars, some of which can be started and warmed while we are still in the house. Old-timers will also often swear, “When I was a boy the snows would come knee-deep early in December and be on the ground when March came!” Baloney! Maybe that happened in upstate New York or Winter Park, Colo., but not around here. Never since weather records have been kept is there documentation that snow — even in patches — stayed on the ground all the way from early December until the end of February. They are right about the knee-deep part, though. But we must keep that statement in perspective, too. When you are 5 or 6, your knees are barely a foot off the ground. http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews+articleid_2738019.html
Global Cooling? – ‘Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof’ – National Post – October 20, 2008. Excerpt: In early September, I began noticing a string of news stories about scientists rejecting the orthodoxy on global warming. Actually, it was more like a string of guest columns and long letters to the editor since it is hard for skeptica l scientists to get published in the cabal of climate journals now controlled by the Great Sanhedrin of the environmental movement. Still, the number of climate change skeptics is growing rapidly. Because a funny thing is happening to global temperatures — they’re going down, not up. […] It may be that more global warming doubters are surfacing because there just isn’t any global warming. http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/20/lorne-gunter-thirty-years-of-warmer-temperatures-go-poof.aspx
Update: Ice Reality Check: Arctic Ice Now 31.3% Over Last Year, plus Scientists Counter Latest Arctic ‘Record’ Warmth Claims as ‘Pseudoscience’ – 10-18-08. Excerpt: 10/17/2007 5,663,125 square kilometers – 10/17/2008 7,436,406 square kilometers – Δice = 1,773,281 sqkm or 31.3% more than last year – Source data here: http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv (Excel file) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/18/ice-reality-check-scientists-counter-latest-arctic-record-warmth-claims-as-pseudoscience/
Scientists Counter Latest Arctic ‘Record’ Warmth Claims as ‘Pseudoscience’ – Comprehensive Arctic Data Round Up – October 17, 2008.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Scientists_Counter_Latest_Arctic.pdf
Roger Pielke Sr: Claims of ‘Climate Control’ are ‘hubris’ – October 23, 2008. (By Former Colorado State Climatologist Dr. Roger Pielke, Sr., presently senior scientist at the University of Colorado in Boulder). Excerpt: At the last McCain/Obama debate, Bob Schieffer had the following question: “SCHIEFFER: Let’s go to — let’s go to a new topic. We’re running a little behind. Let’s talk about energy and climate control. Every president since Nixon has said what both of you…[…] This question illustrated the hubris that is driving the emphasis on major policy actions on climate. This is that humans can “control” climate (i.e. Schieffer said “Let’s talk about …..climate control“). The IPCC’s perspective, that the dominate human climate forcing is its addition of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere and that natural fluctuations in climate are significantly smaller than this human climate forcing, perpetuates the erroneous perspective that we can control the climate. The news media, as exemplified by Bob Schieffer, is simply picking up this theme. […] With the claims that we can control climate with such efforts as geoengineering (e.g. see), the IPCC scientists are falling into the same trap. Climate is an even more complex system than the weather by itself.
http://climatesci.org/2008/10/23/climate-science-overstatement-by-bob-schieffer-in-the-final-presidential-debate/
Early snowfall across Ontario – 22 October 2008. Excerpt: “Torontonians should do their best not to curse out old man winter because he’s here early. It’s been one of those years. Spring was slow to leave, summer was late in arriving and now a taste of winter is here while it’s still officially autumn. “If you can believe it, six centimetres of snow fell on the ground in Orillia. Meantime, snowfall was being reported across southern Ontario, flurries came down in parts of Toronto and York region and there were white-out conditions further north into the Barrie area and cottage.” country. http://www.680news.com/news/headlines/more.jsp?content=20081021_180748_24464
Prominent Climate Scientists: ‘Variations in global temperatures since 1978 … cannot be attributed to carbon dioxide’ – October 20, 2008. Excerpt: While not stooping to such name-calling, weather-satellite scientists David Douglass of the University of Rochester and John Christy of the University of Alabama at Huntsville nonetheless dealt the True Believers a devastating blow last month. For nearly 30 years, Professor Christy has been in charge of NASA’s eight weather satellites that take more than 300,000 temperature readings daily around the globe. In a paper co-written with Dr. Douglass, he concludes that while manmade emissions may be having a slight impact, “variations in global temperatures since 1978 … cannot be attributed to carbon dioxide.” Moreover, while the chart above was not produced by Douglass and Christy, it was produced using their data and it clearly shows that in the past four years — the period corresponding to reduced solar activity — all of the rise in global temperatures since 1979 has disappeared.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/20/lorne-gunter-thirty-years-of-warmer-temperatures-go-poof.aspx
Cold Reality: ‘Warm mongers are rapidly losing credibility’ – Investor’s Business Daily – October 17, 2008. Excerpt: But unlike climate projection models, which are often wrong but endlessly thrown in our faces as examples of hard science, they are real world events wholly contrary to the story the alarmists have been spreading. Global warm mongers are rapidly losing credibility. Mainstream journalists will still believe them because climate change fits the narrative they’ve so carefully nurtured. But eventually the error will have to admitted. It won’t happen publicl y, though, because by the time they come to their senses, the issue will have been long forgotten by the public.
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=309135716919866
‘We still have a blank sun’ – AccuWeather.com – October 20, 2008. Excerpt: We still have a blank sun. Image from earlier today, courtesy of SOHO. As you can see from the image above, the sun remains very inactive in terms of sunspot activity. This has been a common image of the sun for quite some time now. The chart below shows the individual years over the past century with the highest total of spotless days. This particular chart was dated in late September, so 2008 in now solidly in fifth place all by itself. http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2008/10/the_quiet_sun_and_some_great_p.html
Solar activity the primary driver of global temperature rise – By Dr. Kelvin Kemm, formerly a scientist at South Africa’s Atomic Energy Corporation – October 17, 2008. Excerpt: The period of global warming that we have experienced on our planet over the last century, which has seen a rise in temperature of some 0,6 oC, does not correlate at all with a rise in the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), but is does correlate with solar activity. Indications are that solar activity is the primary driver of the variation in global temperature. Even more compelling is the fact that there exists a well-documented Roman Warm period from the time of the Roman Caesars, and a Medieval Warm Period, both of which correlate with solar activity, but certainly can have nothing whatever to do with CO2 produced by any human industrial activities.
http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1965.
US last 115 years show cooling in 5 of the last 7 decades starting the post WWII boom – By Meteorologist Joe D’Aleo. Excerpt: (Click on link to see temp charts) Temperature changes US last 115 years show cooling in 5 of the last 7 decades starting the post WWII boom. Data sets in last 7 years shows cooling which again bucks increasing CO2 – Sea levels have leveled off/fallen last two years as the oceans have cooled and contracted. The sun is the quietest it has been in at least 100 years (possibly since the late 1700s and early 1800s). NASA this week reported te solar wind was the weakest in the satellite era. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation reached its coldest level recorded this summer and another La Nina is likely on the way. While the earth cools, Gore and his environmental friends are blocking access to the energy we need. http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-climate/P9/
Prominent Geologist says ‘Global Cooling is Here!’ Cooling could ‘plunge the Earth into another Little Ice Age!’– October 30, 2008. Dr. Easterbrook, Emeritus Professor at Western Washington University, has authored eight books and 150 journal publications. http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~dbunny . Excerpt: Rather than drastic global warming at a rate of 0.5C (1F) per decade, historic records of past natural cycles suggest global cooling for the first several decades of the 21st century to about 2030, followed by global warming from about 2030 to about 2060, and renewed global cooling from 2060 to 2090. […] Recent solar changes suggest that it could be fairly severe, perhaps more like the 1880 to 1915 cool cycle than the more moderate 1945-1977 cool cycle. A more drastic cooling, similar to that during the Dalton and Maunder minimums, could plunge the Earth into another Little Ice Age, but only time will tell if that is likely. http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/global_cooling_is_here_evidence_for_predicting_global_cooling_for_the_next_
Another Global Cooling prediction: ‘Sunspots are now predicting a 30-year cooling of the earth’ – By Global warming co-author Dennis Avery, an environmental economist – October 27, 2008. Excerpt: The sunspots are now predicting a 30-year cooling of the earth. That would thicken the Alaskan glaciers somewhat, but probably wouldn’t refill Glacier Bay with ice. That’ll have to wait for the next icy age. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5851
The information in this post was provided by Marc Morano. Mr Morano is a former journalist with CNS, reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show and also American Investigator. Now communications director for the Republicans on the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works in Washington amongst his many activities and responsibilities he also finds time to run an award winning blog.
Jennifer Marohasy BSc PhD is a critical thinker with expertise in the scientific method.
What an astounding list! And the current NSW sockpuppet/premeir says full steam ahead because temps will rise between 2-3C by 2050; to do that will require at least 3 times the IPCC measure of climate sensitivity to a doubling of CO2; all politicians should have a madatory sanity check which would be simple: do you believe in AGW?
Jen, how much longer will you be able to post climate facts that go against the official propaganda of your government? It’s only a short step from censoring one thing to censoring another.
“AUSTRALIA will join China in implementing mandatory censoring of the internet under plans put forward by the Federal Government.” http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24568137-2862,00.html
Well, even if you post it, they could still block people from reading it. When Australia copies censorship like China, you guys are in trouble.
Hey Woody
Refer to the second mini-post above
Notice that the record methane levels were powerless to stop the cooling.
We’ve won this one. But when are we going to start arresting people and sacking other people for their non-stop lying and attempts to deprive us of energy? Conservatives like to sit around congratulating themselves for being rational in comparison with those malign lunatics on the left. But we have to be able to get out there and get some scalps. Since in reality the malign lunatics on the left must be smarter than us on account of them always seeming to get their hateful measures made into public policy. We ought not be too smug about us being right and those lying clowns being wrong. Because that hasn’t stopped these madmen from continuing with the process of implementing their policies.
Very scientific!
Repeat after me – one month of weather is not a climate trend.
Promise me that you’ll run the companion story – that when we have an unseasonably warm month it will be anecdotal evidence that global warming has picked up again. I’d like to see that!
BTW who is admin? Is that a way to publish dubious posts like this one without having to accept responsibility for authorship?
Graeme,
Who is this *we* that you are talking about, that is going to do this arresting and sacking? No, Mate, it’s going the other way, as far as I can see – it is those who are not lying who are in increasing danger of being scalped.
I agree with Slim. I can’t imagine that Jennifer would support this thread. Jennifer is a scientist whereas Marc Morano is a Republican propagandist. Nothing wrong with someone like Morano to counter balance Gore, but we should not blindly fall in the same trap as the global warming alarmists.
Let’s wait until the UAH MSU and RSS MSU data are released (some time next week) to see where we stand globally for the month of October.
Slim,
Repeat after me, I Will bother to read what has been posted before shooting my mouth off.
Most of the references use the fact that this month had record colds levels, to then compare with the temperatures trends over the last century, for eg,
“US last 115 years show cooling in 5 of the last 7 decades”…… etc etc
Obviously you must be a scientist employed in one of these GW sheltered workshops, and feeling a little more insecure these days.
Malcolm – and your refutation is what exactly?
And how is it obvious that I must be a scientist employed in one of those GW sheltered workshops? Do they have such things? I’ve never seen one. What do they do there?
At least I’m not a scientist employed to echo talking points from major corporations with vested interests in maintaining carbon emissions, over-entitled water rights and GM cropping.
I hope don’t have an abnormally warm Southern Hemisphere Summer ‘cos that would mean Global Warming is true!
OK OK Slim, so you are not another GW scientist moonlighting under at psuedonym — but as for the refutation you asked for, I say again why dont you read the material presented.
If this SH summer is abnormally warm, and it may very well be, then I would like to see how it stacks up with the historical records before passing comment. It certainly wont mean that GW as defined by the climate models is true.
On any case the probability is that it will not be abnormally warm, particularly so when the sun spot count material shows that we are already well into a repeat of the Dalton Minimum era.
Here’s another piece of anecdotal evidence. Worse springs rains on record for Melbourne.
Slim; your link defines you as biased so don’t feign objectivity; by any reasonable analysis temperature is not a manifestation of AGW as the record of the 20thC and the 21stC indicate; see my exposition on temperature in the posting records above; once you’ve done that mount a resonable response instead of sloganising.
Biased? Since when has unbiased objectivity been a benchmark around here? That’s my very point about this nonsense of presenting weather events as evidence for global warming/cooling.
Not sure of SJT’s link was supposed to be, but the BOM reports in The Age today (p11) that “Melbourne has had the driest and second-hottest start to Spring on record.” Let’s file this news report away for next autumn’s companion piece News Reports for April Indicate Global Warming.
Whatever legitimate scientific arguments this site may have, they are ill-served by invoking Bolt’s Law of Climate Change (warm weather doesn’t prove global warming but cool weather proves global cooling) and serving it up as a Coogee Gelati.
Just Morano giving us a weather report to distract from the real news which is published in Nature Geoscience – rapid polar warming cannot be explained by natural cycles. LOL !
“I hope don’t have an abnormally warm Southern Hemisphere Summer ‘cos that would mean Global Warming is true!”
Slim,
And what did you make of the abnormally cool SH winter?
AGW is false?
Or are you a bit sceptical about that?
SD – precisely, the futility of citing weather events as evidence for climate trends. If the trend you wish for still holds in 10 years time then I’ll join you in your skepticism.
Meanwhile, for consistency in this pointless exercise in conflating weather events and climate , keep an eye on those warm weather events as well the cold weather events and report them with equal enthusiasm and fearless objectivity. And for the sake of simplicity, it might be better not to mention the Arctic melting data ‘cos that doesn’t fit your preferred narrative.
Climate predictions need to be made in terms of 30 year averages of metrics, so the last date on which anything could be commented on would be 15 years ago.
And recent polar heating is due to non natural causes – I suppose the mega amps of satellite measured Birkeland currents entering the polar areas would fit into non-natural causes?
“Climate predictions need to be made in terms of 30 year averages of metrics, so the last date on which anything could be commented on would be 15 years ago.”
Is that a promise? 😉
No no. Lets get this straight. This energy-deprivation crusade is a known fraud. You guys are idiots. Your goals are criminal. You have no evidence. And you are compulsive liars.
Now this is a disproven fraud. And you know what? I don’t pretend to be any sort of soothsayer but you compulsive liars are not coming up with any evidence today.
And you know how I know that for an absolute fact?
Because you liars don’t have any evidence. You don’t know anyone who has the evidence. You don’t know anyone that you could send off to find someone to look for someone else who could come up with the evidence.
Slim is a particularly obnoxious compulsive liar.
Why are you morons pretending that the anti-warmers haven’t won the argument?
You guys are nihilistic bastards. You just lie all the time. You ought not be in the parasitical jobs that you are in. The only people who support this racket now are in parasitical lines of work. This is a taxeaters crusade. You guys are a bunch of lying welfare queens is what you are.
So Slim wants a ten year trend;
http://www.factsandarts.com/articles/no-significant-global-warming-since-1995/
If you’d read my earlier link you would have seen that Lucia shows cooling from 2001; that must make you at least slightly sceptical.
“And you know how I know that for an absolute fact?”
Would it be from the transmissions you receive via the antennae on your tinfoil hat?
GB has a proven compulsion to brand anyone who disagrees with his fanciful ravings as a compulsive liar. Graeme, you really should see someone about that. There are people who can help. It can be managed.
Now what lies have I peddled here today, IYHO? That weather events shouldn’t be conflated with climate trends? That a recent scientific report concludes that rapid polar warming cannot be explained by natural cycles?
Did I miss something? Please confine yourself to the evidence here, not your fevered imaginings.
No no slim. You are a particularly obnoxious compulsive liar. AND I CAN PROVE IT. Because if you weren’t a filthy liar you would simply come up with the evidence RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.
But this is fraud. And you are a part of it. And you should not be on the public tit perpetrating this fraud. And so you aren’t coming up with any evidence at all.
Graeme, what exactly is it that I’m supposed to prove?
My contention here remains that short-term weather events cannot be conflated with long-term climate changes. Can’t see that anyone here is taking exception to this. Indeed a couple of regulars here seem to be in agreement.
If you wish the wider world to take seriously your innovative and original theories – be they global climate systems, relativity, banking systems, or how unfettered free-marketeering will save the world – you really need to learn to be civil to those who disagree, or from your perspective, are simply too stupid to understand them. A drop of honey beats a bucket of bile anytime. Otherwise you run the risk of people regarding you as some kind of aggressive madman, unable to constrain his impulses.
Forget about this narrowing of the terms of reference brother. Thats an old lark for the hopelessly corrupt in any enquiry that one wants to affect to be making.
But we notice right here right now that AGAIN you have side-stepped the issue of evidence. Faithfully proving as I promised to all and sundry that you are a compulsive liar.
Now about this little hate-site that you run? Is it really appropriate for you to be running this hate-site on the one hand and then showing up here in person on the other?
Carrying on with the theme of mass-sackings we see that you are dead wood. Effectively you are a ward of the state. A welfare queen. To coin a phrase to the rest of us you are a “tax liability”. And we have come to a point in our history where we are in debt, face massive energy-price-rises, and need to work hard to retrieve the situation.
We really cannot afford dead wood like yourself using your leverage on the public tit to propagandize for this nations downfall.
Slim,
It’s called a moving average and its customary to assume the mid point of the 30 year period as the reference point. Hence 15 years ago is the only data point you have under those conditions.
Unfortunately new AGWers who post here under pseudonyms are automatically assumed to be a new alias for Luke, so excuse me if you are not taken seriously.
Slim “My contention here remains that short-term weather events cannot be conflated with long-term climate changes”.
Slim…here’s the official UAH trends since 1979, the year the satellites were launched. See Figure 9 near bottom of page:
http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-global-warming.htm#satellite-temps
Note the lack of ‘net’ atmospheric warming from 1979 to 1998. In 1998, an uncommonly strong El Nino drove temperatures up 2/10ths of a degree C on average and it seems to have taken the atmosphere a while to rebound. However, in 2008 it settled back to what appears to be it’s norm.
Note that the ‘official’ decadal trend from 1998 to late 2007 was +0.04 C. That means no net warming has taken place in the troposphere since 1998. It could be argued that the lack of warming extends back to 1995 if that El Nino is smoothed. The recent cooling may not be a trend but the lack of warming over a decade most definitely is a trend. It’s pretty difficult to claim increasing annual CO2 levels are warming the atmosphere when the latter hasn’t warmed for a decade.
The important thing to take from the graph is that the atmospheric temperatures have not risen as predicted by models. They are 1/3 of the surface temperatures and they’re supposed to be significantly warmer.
Slim is not Luke, because what he says has a point, that short-term weather trends does not equal climate.
However Slim has yet to respond to the irrefutable evidence of no warming for 10 years and maybe even cooling since 2001, and the other points raised here.
It’s perfectly legitimate though for Jennifer to post “unexpected” cooling events if nothing else to demonstrate that they are indeed inconsistent with the Grand Narrative of AGW. In the mainstream media and amongst the rent-seeking crowd (think researchers seeking grants and people with a “cure” to peddle, such as carbon offsets) any warm day or normal icepack seasonal melt is used to demonstrate “proof” of AGW, but cold snaps and other unusual events that don’t fit the narrative are either ignored, dismissed or reported without comment.
Thanks for attempting to redress the balance Jennifer, but the scales are still tipped to the alarmist side, I’m afraid. Nice attempt at obfuscation Slim.
Gawd, at least I have the excuse that I was a victim of the 70s trendy “no grammar” approach to English.
How about replacing my first sentence with
“Slim is not Luke, because he has a point when he says that short-term weather trends do not equal climate.”
Bit rough criticising people (even of the pseudonymus sock puppitus type) in sentence riddled with errors.
I have been blogging under the name of Slim for a couple of years. I have never been a sock-puppet.
The title of this post is unambigiously titled News Reports of October Indicate Global Cooling, by the anonymous ‘admin’.
Indicate global cooling? Well, not really. Anymore than a warm month will indicate global warming.
And it’s lame to suggest that this is to redress the balance – maybe it is, but it ain’t science.
Graeme – seek help, please. I’m sure there’s some kind of medication that will help curb your irrational violent tendencies.
Oh no Birdy has day leave again. Excuse me GB but STFU.
Pity all that UAH stuff doesn’t do the high latitudes eh? LOL.
So, what are we talking about; UAH temp data deficiencies; the Gillett et al paper on obstensible polar warming? What? Or is Slim here for some character adjustment and Luke just being inane again?
The topic is as the title suggests – observation of weather events as a valid means of determining the state of global warming/cooling.
Well Cohers, we could talk about really really silly things like false idols.
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2008/10/first-principle-is-that-you-must-not.html
Well that proves it to any third parties that didn’t already know that you guys are compulsive liars. No evidence and all that time. If this wasn’t fraud it would be simply a matter of quickly making the case and pointing to the evidence.
Slim,
Quite correct – monthly weather patterns do not confirm nor contradict longer term trends – but the real issue is that the earth is moving out from the last period of cooling, the LIA, so any warming is really the earth returning to its thermal state before the cooling event.
What the warmers don’t seem to understand is that the danger for life on earth isn’t a warmer earth, but a colder one, so it is crucial we understand what causes the ice ages; at this point in time we don’t, apart from the specious resorts to Milankovitch cycles etc based on the assumptions of a Victorian era science solar system.
The biosphere flourishes with increased temperature, everything else being equal. It’s the sudden chilling that fossilises life forms which is the real trheat and so far mainstream science remains clueless about the mechanism. It is this process that enables us to understand the historical biodiversity the earth produced over time – and if we have not got that right, then the rest is pure rhetorical humbug.
luke; I would like to respond to eli, but I feel he will be chasing me soon enough, so I’ll hang here till he wanders over; you should direct him to the Gifford et al paper on pan evaporation; it’s discussed at Niche but some of your mates appear to have saboutaged David’s site; a number of points; Chahine and Chen have done a couple of papers on the AIRS results; they’re a mixed bag with respect to CO2 and H2O vapor; Watts has a couple of threads devoted to their results; RH is declining in the atmosphere; NOAA data shows that SH is generally declining at the levels where M said it would;
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/21/a-window-on-water-vapor-and-planetary-temperature-part-2/
M does show that the optical depth is held constant by adjustments in H2O vapor; this has been well explained by Spencer and Braswell, and I note that eli doesn’t go there; M’s theory does, however, allow for slight perturbations in the OD, with a range between 1.73-2.29, with the latter figure being possibly achieved during the PET. The fact is that M’s theory is generated by the empirical measurements; the standard theory, as enunciated by Weart and endorsed by eli, is bereft of empirical verification; unless you want to give us all a laugh and talk about Santer et al.
Luke
Make sure you do not watch this – your mind will become contaminated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmhYTGTDYro&sdig=1
Great YouTube. I used to think it was just me having trouble with these maths-boy 101 goons and these bully-boy advocates of the intellectual status quo. But its pretty clear its a generic problem in most areas.
In audio engineering you have this saying “you can’t polish a turd” meaning that if the underlying performance and recording of the tracks are no good its futile to save it via fancy engineering. These people are always polishing the turd. Or attempting to. When their underlying thinking has been disproven, is baseless, or has gone haywire, they seem to think that the elegance and work put into the structure can save the base.
A very blatant version of this was put out by the Treasury just recently and accepted in an unquestioning way by the media and that idiot Wayne Swan. The treasury is affecting to have done some computer modeling on their disgraceful planned vandalism; the cap-and-kill rort that they are going to set up. Finding absolutely no reason ever or at any time to set up this cap-and-kill system they are now claiming that their computer model says it won’t do much harm. It won’t cost much. But you read this crap in the newspapers and no talk about the assumptions behind the model. No discussion of where we could be going with our energy. Nothing. No hint at all what idiocy has gone into the modeling.
On the nuclear thread I was arguing that we could set ourselves up as a least-cost-producer of liquid fuels. But treasury isn’t modeling THAT as its default position. Just another bunch of idiots and cranks. Children who know nothing supervised by known leftist appointees.
There is simply no substitute for mass-sackings.
Graeme,
It’s the same mind set behind all but how you counter it depends on what methods you use.
I rather like mine when silence seems to be the result. Others throw an ICBM into the room and then have to counter the reactions – so it’s a fairly reasonable spread of sceptical counter attack across the spectrum of ideas.
Al Gore’s useful idiots are, presumably, still trying to work out the first salvo. Much like Napoleon during 1812 when global warming suddenly stopped near Moscow.
Graeme,
in terms of Polishing the Turd, I actually still have some of the original Sheffield Labs Direct cuts, as well as so called, master cuts of the analog recordings of the era.
Have to re-invest in another Michelle Gyrodek etc to play them, one day. Sigh – those were the good old days. Used to have ProAc loudspeakers as well. Sighhhhhhh.
Cohenite – now now – get over to Rabett Run and defend thine honour.
Bird has it it ever occurred to you that you an un-elected irrelevance. Mate you’re a legend in your own tea cup.
Meanwhile in the real world Cohenite …
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081030144618.htm
“Conclusive Proof That Polar Warming Is Being Caused By Humans”
Climate science: Global warming at the poles
Andrew Monaghan & David Bromwich
Published online: 30 October 2008; | doi:10.1038/ngeo346
Natural climate variability and limited observational records have made identifying human-influenced climate change at the poles difficult. But a human signature is now emerging in rising Arctic and Antarctic temperatures
luke; your link is to the Gillett et al paper I referred to above; its floating around the web; I can’t post the link; the paper involves “a newly updated data-set of land surface temperatures and simulations from four new climate models”; matrix science; it can’t be reconciled with the fact that Anarctic is expanding in all its ice indices; as for the Arctic: its ice area and extent are almost back to satellite means;
http:wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/31/arctic-sea-ice-continues-rebound/#more-3933
The Cryosphere images from 28/10/07-08 are striking;
http:igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=10&fd=28&fy=2007&sm=10&sd=28&sy=2008
Well lets have it then Luke. Where is this conclusive proof that you are lying about this time?
Explain it in your own words!!!
GO!!!!!!
(Bear in mind that Luke has no evidence and that he is a compulsive liar. Hence no sound explanation will be forthcoming.)
So there you are. More proof to the nth degree that Luke is a compulsive liar. And Slim too because he quoted the exact same evidence-free study on his own blog.
This is not going to stop unless we can start sacking these frauds.
Luke, the article is titled …”Conclusive Proof…”, but then makes these claims: ***Now, a newly updated data-set of land surface temperatures and simulations from four new climate models show that temperature rises in both polar regions are not consistent with natural climate variability alone and are directly attributable to human influence. *** When searching for something, a model [actually four] is not “conclusive”!
Now does Man influence weather? Of course. Just look at the Urban Heat island effect, or man caused deserts, etc. Are some of these events effecting the Polar regions? Of course. Are those effects the increase of average temperatures at the poles? Prove it! Not with a model.
Luke this stupid nonsense is just more modeling in a test tube.
Go and read Spencer’s real results from the real atmosphere and who knows one day you might wake up, but somehow I doubt it. God save us from leftwing idiots and brain dead zombies.
Graeme – by what mechanisms are who going to sack whom and on what grounds. GB for supreme autocrat?
Remind us again by which noble and productive non-tax-eating profession or occupation you derive your income that makes you a morally superior person?
just filing this note here:
“looks a little more like climate than just weather: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=658913&rss=yes “
JM – how so – given that we’ve established that short term weather events are not valid indicators of long term climate trends?
Still no evidence hey slim. And yet you used the same study, pretending it amounted to absolute proof, on your hate-site. I did not imply that I was going to fire your lying ass personally, though that would be nice. What I’m saying is that we won’t be successful in stopping this campaign of relentless lying in aid of destructive and malicious purposes until such time as we can sack the liars by the bushel.
And don’t be idiotic and imply that such a campaign of mass-sackings would be autocratic. It would be nothing of the sort. Since no-one has a right to a stolen-money income in the first place. Thats another myth that has to go. The divine-right of peoples place on the public teat. Imagine that. The success of you people setting up this idea that stolen-money jobs are somehow sancrosanct. Whereas in reality they ought to be considered dubious and provisional from the getgo.
A cooling trend is significant since it contradicts absolutely the unscientific and dishonest contention that the climate was driven by CO2 levels and confirms the scientific notion that the sun, for the most part, is to blame. The scientific evidence to date tells us that we are headed for cooling. So you would have to be a pigs ass to imagine that this really blatant cooling is not significant. Thats just bigotry on your part. When its warming that confirms your relentless lying. And when its cooling that doesn’t count. So yes. With every month of record cooling that ought to make it obvious to even the dimmest mentalities that this evidence-free lying-frenzy is what it is.
“With every month of record cooling” – references?
And you still haven’t told us how you derive an income devoid of any public input. Or is that just the libertarian wet-dream speaking?
WOW, what incredible science is being done here… This is amazing. And it’s anecdotal, you say? Wow that’s always the best isn’t it. Yes anecdotal evidence trumps everything because it’s evidence from real genuine people. And yes, the last month has conclusively proven that the world is in for a cold snap, and unprecedented one at that. Also proves we are headed in for a solar minimum likes the Maunder… Still no activity form the sun… Hey whatever happened to cosmic rays, why does no one talk about them anymore… I’m sad I want to discuss Galactic Cosmic Rays.
Amazing work Jennifer. The high quality of science and discussion on this blog is amazing…
Hey Cohers,
Looks like Eli has blogged about some upcoming paper that should solve your mystery of the missing specific humidity. That’s SPECIFIC humidity, not RELATIVE humidity. Does this contradict Misko? The authors find that where the surface temp is higher the specific humidity is higher… amazing.
And did you never defend yourself? I prodded him to have a look at your “Ten Worst Papers” but no joy, seems he has no sense of humour.
Oh here’s the paper, early release… 🙂
http://www.gesa.tamu.edu/people/faculty/dessler/Dessler2008.pdf
What do you mean “devoid of any public input”. Either you pay your money to the government or they steal money off someone else and give it to someone else. This sounds like the “From Russia With Love” argument. The idea that one is tainted because at some time in ones life the government has stolen off someone else and paid for something that the non-stealer has benefited from. Which ought to be no taint on the grounds that we’d all be better off without the rampant stealing. And without the rampant lying as well.
Lets take a look at your hate-site since you are so brazen as to so much as show up here.
“Scientists claim proof humans to blame for polar warming”
Apparently thats enough for the compulsive liar slim. Even the title of the article is proof to the compulsive liar slim. Since his very first comment is “Oh dear!. Yet IPA’s corporate environmental spokesperson Jennifer Marohasy continues to live a world where Arctic ice may actually be increasing”
It is increasing. 2007 was the record year you moron. So if the start-date is September 2007 then its increasing.
But then we go to your link and what do we see? Well what don’t we see? Far from not seeing any proof, we don’t see even a sliver of evidence.
“Scientists say they have been able to prove for the first time that human activity is contributing to the warming of both the Arctic and Antarctic.”
Which means that they are admitting that the claim that “the science was settled” was an absolute lie all that time unless they were saying it was settled in contradiction of the warmers. Which it is.
“British researchers say their analysis shows that increasing temperatures cannot be explained by natural causes alone.”
Well thats bullshit for starters. But we don’t have a list of what potential causes they’ve ruled out. Such as the cumulative warming of the oceans up until around late 2003. And the fact that the oceans take warmer water up North. Do they say even this possible cause was ruled out? No they don’t mention it. This is because they are idiots, liars and victims of the curse of the lone paradigm.
“The researchers say that they expected this result for the Arctic because of the recent sharp increase in the summer melting of sea ice in the region.”
There has not been any sharp increase. They are lying. Since there was more ice September-to-September last year. Which means there has been an increase.
“But temperature variations in the Antarctic have until now been harder to interpret.”
Nothings changed they are lying.
“Today’s study however indicates that there is a clear human influence there too.”
No it doesn’t. No evidence is presented for human influence.
“Last year, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) presented strong scientific evidence that a recent rise in average global temperature is mostly due to human activities.”
They did no such thing thats a lie. Yet you slim just lapped it all up and presented it arrogantly as the revealed truth.
Louis Hissink…looked at your YouTube movie even though you warned me. Fortunately, as a leading AGW skeptic I was adequately prepared.
A couple of comments from the movie:
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality”. —Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934
I did not realize we had been burdened by mathematicians passing themselves off as physicists for that long. Then again, physics started to go wrong in the 1920’s after Planck came out with his quantum theory. I have nothing against his theory of quanta, it’s the way mathematics took over reality that bothers me.
Richard Feynman acknowledged that QM works, but that no one knows why. David Bohm. one of the most important theoretical physicists in QM admitted the theory has come to the end of the road and he thought it was because humans had inserted the non-real entity time in an attempt to relate physical phenomena to each other. In the YouTube movie, they point out that Einstein introduced time as a fourth dimension. Einstein understood that time is illusionary but many scientists afterward took him literally.
Another quote from Alfvin, “The peer review system is satisfactory during quiescent times, but not during a revolution in a discipline such as astrophysics, when the establishment seeks to preserve the status quo.”
That one’s for Slim and all those alarmists who dismiss perfectly good observation because of it’s peer review status. BTW, Slim…are you unable to reply to the simple facts on CO2 I presented to you. That’s typical of AGWers, don’t worry about it.
More Alfvin, “We have to learn again that science without contact with experiments is an enterprise which is likely to go completely astray into imaginary conjecture.”
In a nutshell, that explains the problems over at relaclimate and with the IPCC in general. RC is run by mathematicians, computer programmers and scientists from disciplines that tend to rely on computer models and remote theories to back them up. Their inability to embrace real data from satellites et al, while pouring over highly theorized computer models, is their undoing.
What cooling trend? You guys are total shonks. You crooks are leaving out the area that is warming the most. What a try-on.
Think it’s time for guest post every month on record warming events too.
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn14976-arctic-air-temperatures-hit-record-highs.html
Autumn air temperatures have climbed to record levels in the Arctic due to major losses of sea ice as the region suffers more effects from a warming trend dating back decades, according to a new report.
The annual report issued by researchers at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and other experts is the latest to paint a dire picture of the impact of climate change in the Arctic.
It found that autumn air temperatures are at a record 5 °C above normal in the Arctic because of the major loss of sea ice in recent years, which allows more solar heating of the ocean.
And of course cold air outbreaks are well simulated in a greenhosue world and quite possible as my brilliant previous post shows – http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/001802.html
So here we have the definitive analysis that the polar warming just published and loonies are off on a global cooling trend. OK Bird – in your own words – what cooling trend _ I WANT EVIDENCE – GO !
Loved Svalgaard’s smackdown of extremist solar worshiper Archibald on Wattsup too.
And was it just the other day that it was hot in Shepparton http://goulburnvalleyblogs.blogspot.com/2008/09/shepparton-record-temperature-for.html
You guys !! LOL ….
Slim – besides being rejected comprehensively for his extremist views at the ballot box our ornithological anomaly and resident quack Boofus Bird keeps busy being a shift-worker and as a sock puppet on his own site (now that is desperate).
Probably has an extensive collection of hair nets.
“Loved Svalgaard’s smackdown of extremist solar worshiper Archibald on Wattsup too.”
Bullshit. There is no such smackdown. You are making it up. You have to go to Goulburn to hunt around for a warm temperature. And it was only one day at that. Pathetic Luke.
Lets look at one of your science-Pravda links:
“Autumn air temperatures have climbed to record levels in the Arctic due to major losses of sea ice as the region suffers more effects from a warming trend dating back decades, according to a new report.”
What are they saying here? Is it just for the air that once was over the ice and now is over water? What months is this. Where is the temperature trends. Where are the numbers. Everything is entirely vague in this story.
“It found that autumn air temperatures are at a record 5 °C above normal in the Arctic because of the major loss of sea ice in recent years, which allows more solar heating of the ocean.”
What year is “normal” based on? They just said that we’ve had decades of warming. And then they claim there is a “normal” temperature.
Look you are an idiot Luke. You are incompetent. What is it precisely that you think you’ve found evidence for. The only evidence you’ve amassed is evidence for what I’ve always claimed about you.
Gordon,
Yes, Soupdragon makes some good easy to understand videos. Geology is also hamstrung by a similar situation though not at all of a mathematical type – it’s the physical sciences in general that seem to have been affected by the emphasis on maths.
Young geologists no longer aspire to field work but assume all can be achieved in the office looking at a computer screen.
And now they are on about a warming polar area – heavens to Betsy, we have proven measured Birkeland currents entering in and out of the polar regions, often causing the auroras involving millions of amperes of electric current, and this energy source is completely ignored by the climate clowns.
Bird – science-Pravda indeed – means that a trumped up little fascist wanker like you likes to be told how to think by the right wing think tank machine. You’d rather have your brain controlled by Big Brother. Which is why you are unelectable swill in the scheme of things.
So here’s Louis talking dog poop again – if you were any good mate you’d whip off a quick paper to Nature on your Birkeland current tripe and stun us all. Pity all the trends are in such are against you. LOL.
Well how about that evidence then Luke you compulsive-lying JERK!!!!
You made a link, implied that you had at last found the evidence, and there was no evidence there. Try again.
GO!!!!
Global Warming is Over … Again http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/global-warming-is-over-again/#more-648
What is really disappointing in that link Louis is more evidence for the deterioration of the alleged skeptics. As in the skeptical enquirer. I was reminded of how our local skeptics have fallen for the global warming fraud, when they simply didn’t want to know when Ian Plimer made his presentation before them.
Quite by chance one time I wound up at the local Sydney skeptic top guys place and being a fan of Ian Plimer I was wanting to ask questions about him like a bit of a groupie. And I got all this negative feedback from the skeptic head honcho. Somethings a bit wrong with that movement. Its like they’ve lost their nerve and don’t want to know about anything that challenges their beliefs. The whole point of the skeptics was the idea of ruthlessly going in and challenging peoples comfortable beliefs and with a ruthless regard for methodology. To me Plimer WAS the skeptics. Now he seems to be sidelined.
Its as though a lot of dumb-leftwingers have joined up to get some street cred to rub off on them.
Well lets have that evidence then Mike. Like Slim you appear to be VERY IMPRESSED by headings. But headings aren’t evidence. And headi?ngs aren’t an argument for themselves. On what grounds is global warming NOT over. We know that temperatures oscillate up and down.
Pretty much every metric you can think of has turned down. Air temperature since 1998. Imbedded oceanic temperature since 2003. If we exclude 1998 do we see anymore upward trend after 2005? I don’t THINKso. Melting in the arctic? Well thats not the whole world so that hardly counts. But even that hit its peak in 2007. So what have you got left? Even sea level seemed to flatten out 2007-2008.
So what do we have to suggest that global warming HASN’T ended. Looks pretty ended to me.
Luke
It has already been published in 2003 in the IEEE Transactions on Plasma Science, Vol. 31, No 6, December 2003, “Characteristics for the Occurrence of a high-current, Z-Pinch aurora as recorded in Antiquity.
“Figure 2, Artists’ depiction of Birkeland Currents flowing in and out of the earth’s atmosphere at high latitude. These currents, once the subject of intense debate, are routinely measured by today’a satellites and have total magnitudes of millions of amperes (megaamperes)….
The trends are with me Luke, you are the odd clown out.
NT; I wish you and your other head, luke, would get coordinated; yes eli is picking on me; I’ve seen the reference to the Dessler paper and extracts from at eli’s but no link; btw, your link doesn’t work; I’ve addressed what eli raises at my post at Nov 1 6.08pm above; RH is declining and, according to NOAA, SH is increasing at the surface with correlates with Spencer and Brswell’s thesis on clouds and stochastic -ve feedback (eli, like everyone else has overlooked that Miskolczi is consistent with Spencer and Braswell’s work, both of which is empirical unlike luke’s bloody Gillett paper on supposed Arctic and Antarctic warming); but I’ll certainly look at the Dessler work, bearing in mind that it appears to contradict NOAA data and AIRS results as reported by Chahine and Chen in respect of water vapour, which is in the link I provide at 6.08pm.
Now, the polar warming is a load of garbage; I’ve given the links at 9.23pm above but they didn’t take; I’ll try one at a time; this one shows that the area and extent of Arctic ice is almost back to the satellite mean;
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/31/arctic-sea-ice-continues-rebound/#more-3933
As GB says it only takes one result to disprove a hypothesis; how can Arctic ice rebound if the heating mechanism is increasing; and let’s not dig up Keenlyside.
This is a extremely weak counter-survey of high temperatures.
“County hit by record heat, brush fire Oct 9, 2008, Near-record heat sizzles on in Valley Oct. 30, 2008, Heat again a concern for marathon Chicago, Oct 12, 2008, Heat Wave in East Java to Last Until November 21 October, 2008, South Australia will swelter through temperatures in the high 30s Oct 25, 2008, The temperature in Dar es Salaam last week reached 34.7 degrees centigrade October 28, 2008.”
“County hit by record heat, brush fire Oct 9, 2008″
HIT implies a one-off.
” Near-record heat sizzles on in Valley Oct. 30, 2008,”
A one-off. And another valley. And it wasn’t a record. It was second-best at best. We are seeing a pattern here.
“Heat again a concern for marathon Chicago, Oct 12, 2008″
Sounds like a prediction. Not an actuality
” Heat Wave in East Java to Last Until November 21 October, 2008″
East Java is pretty near the equator isn’t it? Are heat waves uncommon there?
“South Australia will swelter through temperatures in the high 30s Oct 25, 2008”
South Australia WILL swelter. More soothsaying.
“The temperature in Dar es Salaam last week reached 34.7 degrees centigrade October 28, 2008.”
Thats not even hot for the love of Allah!!!!!?????? Its a cold day in hell if you cannot get some warmth in Dar Es Salaam.
So this list they put together is actually evidence for cooling. The fact that some of this gear was included means they were scraping around for it.
Graeme,
The problem with the Sceptics organisation is that most seem to be politically left of centre, and thus faced with extreme cognitve dissonance of their natural instinct to be toe the political line, and the need to be scientifically sceptical. Easier to toe the political line.
Oh, good, that link worked; now the NOAA SH results are entirely consistent with M because they are decling at the CEL where OLR occurs; the OD is preserved and demonstrated empirically; Dessler better have some NON-MODEL data to refute the NOAA stuff; the other link to the Arctic is good old Cryosphere; how can the ice be doing this when heating is occurring?
http:igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=10&fd=28&fy=2007&sm=10&sd=28&sy=2008 ( // excluded; it looks as though the Cryosphere link won’t take; but this definitely proves that there is no warming at the North pole; unless warming causes ice to expand; the Antarctica is not decreasing in ice-extent either and I have put up 1/2 doz recent papers based on empirical non-modelling data to prove this in recent posts).
Well I would advise the current crop to get along to a church. Not everyone is cut out to be an atheist. And it appears that these people are likely to go believing any damn thing thats thrust in front of them the way they are going. You would think that Plimer would have banked enough credits with these people for them to be able to look long and hard at the problem. I wonder what the Great Randi makes of this global warming racket? Some of the older skeptics must be thinking that their lifes work in the movement is being frittered away by the new young dumb.
Hows the form of those people in Lukes link who put the melting down to CO2 on the grounds that there is no other explanation? Thats just laughable. Like they’ve got all bases covered. CO2 as the god of gaps. Actually I’m not going to rule out TOTALLY any effect up there. What with the dry air, the months of light, the high winds and all that. If their crap model was ever going to work just a little bit it would be up there.
Graeme,
The problem stems from the Enid Blyton university degrees Luke and his mates received – it’s quite serious and the next AIG News is focussing on geoscience education in Oz universities – actually it is conspicuous by its absence.
With the commodities crash many geologists are suddenly out of work, and the older experienced ones, most in their late 50’s early 60’s will leave the profession for good. There are not enough new graduates to replace them, and certainly none have the core competencies of being described as a field geologist – so long term Australians will discover to their slowly awakening of the second rate science that is part of the social democratic political system. We have exemplars posting here under various alias’.
Demand for experienced exploration field geologists (we are the engineers of the profession) will rise and some of us will be in work until we drop from physical exhaustion.
As for Luke and his mates belief in CO2, they are simply products of the second rate tertiary system we now have. I wonder if we will see an influx of Chinese geologists during the next 5 years – blessed little coming out of our universities since most of the geology departments have been either closed or gutted. I wonder what Enid Bylton faculty Luke got his BSC. (hons) from.
There was a school of mineral technology where I went to University. Makes me think I ought to have done that sort of thing. Its bad news if that end of things falls into disrepair. Being as the extraction industries are the first part of the production chain. And given the amount of capital involved its not the sort of industry that can be reconstituted fast. I take the view that one advantage of having a 100% backed commodity standard would be to make sure that this part of production is always ahead of its game. Its university courses well attended. Exploration well scoped out in advance. Their capital equipment up to date. I’m suspicious of how things are going at the moment. You’d think that there would be all this deep-sea exploration on the go. People ought to be digging up all the methyl-clathrates. They ought to be repealing the Antarctic exploration prohibition. Despite the recent boom do you think the industry itself is in a good and healthy state?
NT; I got the Dessler paper; it marries AIRS and CERES data to confirm the AGW premises of constant RH and increasing SH; it is an AGW wet-dream; the only thing is there is a big radiative transfer model between the data and the conclusions. But if this is confirmed (bearing in mind Ts and Ta have not been increasing which is what the paper assumes; along with even mix of CO2 which the Chahine and Chen work from AIRS data disproves) then the EGH will be vindicated and the Spencer and Braswell work, along with Miskolczi, will bite the dust. One other thing; they state Ts is a proxy for latitude, which confirms Pielke Snr’s Stefan-Boltzman repudiation of Arthur’s Tave and Teff and radiative imbalance being an inevitable product of EGH. The essence of Dessler is that q, increased SH, is the source of the warming and greenhouse. One final thing; where is the SH coming from given the Gifford paper’s conclusion that pan evaporation is declining?
Graeme,
yes the industry is in pretty good shape but the real problem lies in the board levels – Sir Arvi Parbo, when he as chairman of WMC, continually emphasised the need for mining companies to kepp their core exploration teams during hard times – exploration is a mining company’s insurance policy. Small mining companies run by accountants and non mining types, lawyers, and what not, always get rid of high cost exploration to survive the bad times. This is happening now when a lot of speculatives will be swallowed up by the larger ones. And of course ground should be freed up.
But we must never forget that as far as the Greens are concerned, they want to totally destroy the mining industry – period. It takes 5 years of EPA and bureaucratic red, black and brown tape to get a new operation going. No one except the big guys can cope with that timeframe, the little ones can’t. And the big boys realise that they are big and have become so bureaucratic that they actually can’t find new mines because they have lost the field people as a result of HR departments forcing field people to do crazy things.
Having written that, I suspect it’s going to et worse over time. My generation are not being replaced, and you never see young geologists in the field anymore. It’s just a job for them, not a vocation. So unless we get the lunacy of CO2 trading knocked on the head, as well as the CO2 nonesense, things will generally become worse.
But hey, the mob want socialism, they have it, and let’s stop complaining – a lower standard of living is the predictable outcome of having the Fabians in charge.
DO you think I’m going to bother discussing anything with a hair-net wearing shift worker who can’t manage more than a handful of votes in an election? Of course not.
Louis – yes yes isn’t nature marvellous. But who cares? Pretty but irrelevant. Effects? Mechanisms? Models? Correlations? zilch – toddle off now gramps … (you don’t have ANY trends) ROTFL ….
Luke,
Oh I forget, another paper published in the IEEE douments many of the effects, published last year come to think of it,
David J. Thomson, Fellow IEEE, Louis J. Lanzerotti, Fellow IEEE, Frank L. Vernon, III, Marc R. Lessard, and Lindsay T. P. Smith, Solar Modal Structure of the Engineering Environment, Proceedings of the IEEE | pp 1085-1132, Vol. 95, No. 5, May 2007
The Sun – Earth Connection
Ever since the advent of the modern industrial age electrical engineers have noted unexpected behaviour in the various engineered systems humanity uses whether on land, in the oceans and in space. Satellite failure, cell-phone drop outs, and power utility failures are some of the more common examples identified. Electrical engineers have now established that these disruptions are due to Solar modes in which at least 10,000 have so far been identified some five AU (astronomical units) from the Earth by the Ulysses spacecraft. “These modes couple the magnetosphere, the ionosphere, the geomagnetic field and atmospheric pressure. Estimates of the power spectrum of data from solar radio telescopes and induced voltages on ocean cables show what appears to be solar modes at both lower and higher frequencies than the optically measured solar p-modes. Most surprisingly these modes are easily detected in seismic data, where they literally shake the earth”, (Thomson et al. 2007).
Seismic Data
It is generally thought that the low frequency background signals, the well known seismic hum, in seismic data could be attributed to ocean waves but Thomson et al (op cit) point out that this hypothesis cannot explain the observed high Q-peaks and obvious solar modes. However the oceanic source hypothesis is supported by some good correlations between the amplitude of the seismic hum and wave height, possibly implying that space weather drives ordinary weather (Thomson et al, Op cit, pp.1122). Electric plasma universe theory regards the earth’s weather to be the physical behaviour of the interface between the earth and its space environment via plasma interactions, and hence are not surprised that space weather may drive the earth’s weather.
Perhaps you should relabel yourself as Luke, B.Sc. (DisHons).
So you say its healthy yet there are these signs of ill-health. I suppose the upshot is that the way things are going the industry will only be kept in good health by high prices. It will be kept in good health. But we can expect high prices.
“It takes 5 years of EPA and bureaucratic red, black and brown tape to get a new operation going. No one except the big guys can cope with that timeframe, the little ones can’t.”
This is really unacceptable. We want executives and specialists to be able to get together over a few beers and decide they are going to break off from the company and start their own act. Otherwise we don’t have a proper market. If T Boone Pickens hadn’t been able to charge off and start his own small oil company then thats a different industrial history. A different future.
Actually when you read about the way they distribute leases it sounds like your typical crony-taxeater deal. Where they have these leases for very large areas and then auctions such that the auction itself would rob you of capital. And it sounds like that sort of thing itself would tend to restrict matters to crony-town. I may have it entirely wrong. But I just got that impression after trying to figure out how it was that our guys could acquiesce to that outrageous 25 year gas deal with the Chinese. I got the impression that this needed to be reformed. These leasing arrangements. Taxeater-land ought not be soaking up all the exploration money with these big leasing contracts. The territories ought to be micronised so that Australian-owned outfits can take possession of a small site at no up-front-cost. And extraction-industry companies ought to be tax-free in the first place and only pay through royalties. Not one dollar until the royalties come through. Otherwise you are paying all these income taxes and you haven’t even found anything yet. It should be a matter of homesteading and royalties. Well at least thats my outsider-economics-grad view of the situation.
From your point of view is there a problem there? Because it looks to me like its a taxeater-plundering sort of deal. Where they auction off these resources, try and get money from all parts of the process, rather than only from royalties, which would leave everyone able to plan better and leave them knowing where they stand. And it looks like things are stacked in such a way that the value from Australian resources are rigged to wind up in the deepest pockets. The deepest pockets might be Rio or BHP. But then again it could also be the Chinese Communists.
Imagine if it was 100 years ago? Instead of people going up to the Klondike and staking claims the government would sell the lease to a Carnegie-Rockerfeller consortium, and in a short amount of time Bismark would have a controlling interest. Under todays pseudo-Capitalist way of doing things Bismark would then buy up the British Channel in a plunder-and-splurge privatisation deal and any gainsayers would be branded as socialist by preening latte-leftists.
Well thats sort of what it seems like to me anyhow. This may be an overly jaundiced view of the situation.
Graeme,
The system exists because this is the way it was set up – crony capitalism is rife, not only in the U.S. but before in the UK, and now here.
The problem is the ALP and its affiliated and no affiliated political fellow travellers. The ALP et al reject outright capitalism (as say, described by Frank Shostak) and hence are hell bent in redistributing the wealth mining brings. In WA we have a partnership between the Liberals and the Nationals, and quite frankly the NATS are agrarian socialists and should be aligned with the ALP rather than the Libs. For that matter, the Libs are not taken much with laissez-faire capitalism either, because whether one supports it or not, political reality is that the ALP does get into power, and the resulting political reality is that of a quasi socialist system with the trappings of laissez-faire capitalism but highly regulated.
A fascist state in other words, though don’t tell the ALP types this – they will froth at the mouth on hearing it.
Rio and BHP have to face political reality and quite frankly RIo has always been a robber baron type of organisation, from personal experience. BHP was worse than the commonwealth public service in the old days, but has somewhat changed today but remains politically astute.
We are usually denigrated by the doo gooders when we pay bribes to 3 world countries in order to do mineral exploration or mining, (and ini socialist India, it is a well developed art form), but we also do it here – but its called black-mail and green-mail.
Black-mail because the Aboriginal heritage act is misused by the aboriginal industry to extort money out of us, and greenmail in the sense we have to pay outrageous fees to eco-consultants to do Eco surveys in order to satisfy EPA regulations. Rent seekers the lot of them.
Your view is this accurate.
Having to pay eco-green-mailers. Man does that have to hurt.
Cohenite, why do you bother with Watts, you’re better than that.
Glad you got the paper. There is observed data in there, it isn’t all models.
Temps have been going down? Really? Since January they have risen quite a bit…
Graeme,
The last survey was charged out at $600 per day for a field assistant (we pay $230 per day , including free meals and accomodation plus 2 weeks on 1 week off roster to Perth), professional people at $1000 per day plus disbursements, and team leader @ $1500 per day.
Extortionate.
And how do we repeal the EPA acts ? Advocating that would result in us being branded as political lepers.
Well I’m not blaming you guys. Quite the contrary. I’d want to show up as an apprentice field assistant those rates being the case. I ought not have called it crony-town. That applies only when and if people who are fat and happy with the situation and resistant to a better way of doing things. There are always those people about.
NT; the data is from NOAA, nothing to do with Watts; btw, eli popped up at Niche touting the Dessler effort; a few cracks are appearing.
Yes yes Louis – all interesting but how about some serious evidence. In your own words too pls. I doubt you understand what you’re even reading.
Luke
That was in my own words, in press to be published 2009.
Downloaded the article did you? Read it then, or do I assume because you cannot understand it, then the rest of us can’t either?
Better make sure I am also totally ignorant of geophysics too, apparently I have demonstrated skills in analysing EM data from airborne surveys.
Present some facts to support your statement, otherwise STFU.
Luke,
Just reading my previous post I suddenly realised that you must have failed English Comprehension Skills at Enid’s University.
No wonder you get things back to front here – and is the Arnie Gravatar the usual pyschological explanation for personal failures?
Louis being caught out lays smoke.
Anyway – la de dah – things might be warming up again
Driest October, and the warmest October nights on record for SA.
http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/sa/20081031drywarmsepoct.shtml
In a new report on Chile’s glaciers the main water company – Direccion General de Aguas de Chile (DGA) – said the ice fields of Echaurren are receding up to 12 metres per year.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/chilewarmingwater
Global warming behind NT weather?
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/global-warming-may-be-behind-hot-nt-weather/10174
Luke:”Louis being caught out lays smoke.”
Not family are you Luke, hence Jen’s tolerance for your posts here?
Speaking of family you do a good job of playing Uncle Fester.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=xL_9zdu4iVw
Luke,
Thanks :-), oh, and no, I won’t watch your rubbish
But why are you a believer Luke? I’m beyond expecting you to show up with some evidence so why are you a believer? We had a show about a compulsive arsonist on sixty minutes tonight. And its got to be something like this. Why are you a believer? Its not related to evidence because you don’t have any and aren’t about to find any. So let us know what is the payoff to being a mindless believer?
Please learn the difference between climate and weather. Once you have got your head round that, you might like to try looking at all the available evidence rather than deciding your position in advance and doing a google search for articles that appear to support this point of view. Third, if you can manage that many ideas at once, the next step is to learn the difference between anecdote and actual evidence.
Incidentally “anecdotal evidence” in respect of climate change is (almost) an oxymoron. “Oh, it is chilly out, best wrap up” doesn’t say anything about climate. If you had 80 year olds reminiscing about how the climate in a particular area where they had lived their entire lives this could provide limited evidence about how climate has or has not changed in one particular location over that period – even that tells you nothing – absolutely nothing – about global trends.
I suppose this is only weather and not climate,…but oh what a laugh!!!
London: 28 Oct. 08 “Snow fell on the House of Commons as they debated ‘Global Warming’ “. Isn’t it a gem? Sounds vaguely familiar to “Nero fiddles while Rome burns”!!
It was London’s first October snowfall since 1922! and similar stories all over the country. ie; First October snow in Surrey in 121 years!
No wonder 60% of the Britis population now doubt the influence of humans on global warming!
But what a gem about the House of Commons!! One lark on talk-back radio commented that ‘not even the hot air rising from the House, could stop the snow from settling on the roof’.!!
Well Australia had a warm October… Not so interesting I guess.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/temp_maps.cgi?variable=maxanom&area=nat&period=month&time=latest
Birdy – Why do I believe – it’s not a question of belief – it’s a question of risk management isn’t it. I give it 80% probable.
But on instinct – if yourself and Louis started believing in AGW I’d change sides. It’s the dickhead evaluation index factor.
Perhaps I should have used the word ‘indicative’ as per the Bureau of Meteorology in Australia:
“The Bureau of Meteorology says high temperatures recorded across the Northern Territory this month may be indicative of global warming.
Average daily temperatures were 1.75 degrees above the mean for October.
There has also been an increase of rainfall over Darwin, which recorded its wettest October in 10 years.
But the bureau’s Sam Cleland says that is not the case throughout the NT.
“The far southern parts of the Territory in the Alice Springs district is going through a long-running, very dry spell,” he said.
“If you look at the 19-month period starting from April 2007 it’s been the driest 19-month period on record at several sites through the region, including Alice Springs and Tennant Creek.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/01/2407526.htm
“I give it 80% probable.” You give WHAT “80% probable”? Are you saying that you give human-induced warming of a tiny magnitude an 80% probability of being true? And if so can you think of a reason why a tiny bit of human-induced warming would be a bad thing in a brutal and pulverising ice age?
Nothing so far here to say that you aren’t a compulsive liar and an idiot? So why are you a believer?
GO!!!!
Comment from: Bass November 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
“Please learn the difference between climate and weather.”
What is your definition?
For me, weather is a constituent of climate, an instantaneous subset from the set that in total becomes climate. This means that weather measures have to be within, lets say, two standard deviations of the distributions of climate to be considered normal ( highly probable). After that we start talking of unusual and even very unusual, depending on how far off a manifestation is from climate averages.
“. “Oh, it is chilly out, best wrap up” doesn’t say anything about climate.”
It sure does tell. It tells me that it is definitely not a tropical climate. It also tells me it is probably not a siberian climate (wrap up does not describe the action needed), or a desert climate.
I didn’t use the words ‘climate’ or ‘weather’ in my introduction to this collection of weather events.
Luke,
You have shot your self in the foot again – if AGW is a matter of belief, then it is unequivocally not science at all.
I do not disbelieve AGW, all the metrics available to us have falsified the core AGW hypothesis.
I suspect after tomorrow’s U.S. presidental election AGW will quietly wither away. It’s more likely Gore’s agenda to get into political power he was denied last time round.
Bass “Please learn the difference between climate and weather”.
Anna has explained the difference but I’d like to ask you a question. What is global warming? Some parts of the world have warmed while other parts have cooled. Here in North America the hottest year on record is 1934 but for the world at large it is 1998. What does that tell you?
It tells you nothing other than a mathematician has been at work. In North America, we are not concerned about an abnormal El Nino year in 1998 that affected other parts of the world more than it did us. We’re concerned about our own climate. There was a trend in North America between 1920 and 1940 that surpassed the current trend. The Arctic was as warm as it is now in the latter period and the ice was probably as low. We don’t know that because ice records were not kept back then.
Climate is a long-term weather trend but what does it tell you regionally? Talking about global warming or global climate is nonsense. The only people who benefit from such rhetoric are the media, politicians and snake-oil salesmen (aka environmental activists).
“It found that autumn air temperatures are at a record 5 °C above normal in the Arctic because of the major loss of sea ice in recent years, which allows more solar heating of the ocean.”
Luke,
Aren’t you just playing the same game?
Go back through AGW ‘alarmist’ podcasts dated around 2006. The tone has changed now, not so strident, and (in hindsight) so unjustifiably self confident. Does force one to cast a sceptical eye over some of the more outlandish AGW claims (not usually made by experts in this field). This winter in Sydney felt to be one of the coldest I can remember, but that proves or disproves nothing. Just have to wait and see what happens over the next few years. If temperatures shoot up again, then fair enough. If they just keep dropping I think that will raise more legitimate questions.
People don’t seem to want to appreciate that year to year sea ice coverage and temperatures in the Arctic, and especially the Antarctic, is highly variable, and unusual cold or unusual heat on a year to year basis proves nothing.
I’d like to hear more from NT as to his theory that we had a warm October. After all he has the full authority of the Australian Bureau Of Meteorology behind him. Take it away NT.
Slim,
if you are still even monitoring this thread – apologies for the misunderstanding a couple of days ago; I wasn’t referring to you. In the nearly 2 years I’ve been reading this site I have seen you post before; I’m the lurker and possibly even a sock puppet.
Cheers
Will says “Aren’t you just playing the same game?”
Correct – this whole post isn’t a serious discussion. We’re just horsing around waiting to see if someone lobs something really interesting in.
Luke,
I think the thread is interesting in how it sheds light on psychological issues relating to the perception and processing of evidence. But in your heart of hearts, since you’re already convinced about the reality of global warming, can you honestly say that, had new record high temperatures across significant portions of the United States and other places been reported, would you not have found that highly convincing of global warming?
Many people don’t want to see the obvious: any cursory glance of long term global temperature averages reveals that when temperature dips precipitously, they also tend to rapidly bounce back. Now, if that didn’t happen, then perhaps there would be something of interest to discuss.
Scientists are humans and humans have biases. It does make you think: what is the actual quality of the evidence? How easily can people see what cannot be proven as being there? I.e., “global cooling”. When a AGW theorist proclaims that he can’t point to any particular scientific paper as definitive support for his views, but instead the overwhelming body of research into climate over the last 100 years convinces him of the correctness of his ideas, what does that actually mean?
Yes it is a serious discussion. Since the cold temperatures DIRECTLY REFUTE the CO2-warming thesis AS IT WAS CONSTITUTED just a few years ago. Now that its cooling these goons, liars, and anti-scientists may be developing some nuance. But this cold October could not be explained in the theory as it was just recently.
We had to be warmer. Because the story went that the solar forcing change is just minimal. The cosmic rays story got a lot of laughs from a lot of very stupid people. And so it was axiomatic that CO2 was driving things. Hence this cold October refutes all that outright. And it was not predicted.
Now lets take the counter-examples. They are all some valley some where. Single day events. And not a lot of them. They tried to come up with an alternative list as counter-examples. But such examples as they could find, when examined in their totality, in fact backed up the idea that this a cold October. But it cannot be. Since the CO2 has been higher every October than the one before and every year. So where is all that extra heat hiding?
Get used to it you morons. This is a total refutation. And you people on the rational side of this debate. Stick up for yourselves and kick some of these goons in the throat. The only way to talk to an alarmist is DOWN.
Graeme,
I generally don’t read your posts, but I did read the last one above and it does have an interesting rhetorical style. Reminiscent of Hitler’s Mein Kampf in places. My comment is not meant to be totally negative, Hitler was a brilliant rhetorician.
Will – if it comes to a stoush I don’t think marshmallow jello Birdy will be there for the second round. He’s all wind and piss. But you know it just makes me realise that he should be locked up for sedition (and for only getting a handful of votes, as well as being an ugly moron). But we won’t say that as that would be unkind.
If Birdy was smart he’d want to know much more than he does. His inability to research the issue is typical of what you’d expect from economic arts graduates doing soft courses.
But to your point – well it’s a risk assessment isn’t it. My colleagues now view me as a sceptic. But you have to weigh up the evidence. There’s a lot going on. Greenhouse is a good mechanism. Alternative explanations don’t add up that well.
The next 20 years will tell who’s full of it. In the mean time choose wisely grasshopper.
Not only did I research it. Unlike yourself I researched it successfully. Which means you hold your job under false pretenses. Vote GMB for Dobell. The cheap energy candidate. And the mass-sackings candidate.
Do you have a point Nitschke? Or are you just going to goose-step into the sunset, the point of your post always remaining a mystery, for nazi scholars everywhere.
Whereas under most paradigms a months cold snap wouldn’t mean much the idea that CO2 is driving things makes the fact of a cold October very significant. It is because these dummy’s pooh-poohed any other influence BUT CO2, that the news of a cold October is an idea that completelyrefutes their own “thinking”.
Over here on the other side of the Earth… in America… Many of us believe that the reduction of CO2 will propel us toward the next ice age… because we owe our planet’s ability to warm itself to it, oh yea and the key variable that all of these idiotic warmists are leaving out of the equation… the largest source of our heat… the sun.
Al Gore and his elk are Mouth Breathers, who are so concerned about all of this warming BS.. that they haven’t changed a thing about their (carbon foot print) please.
Nothing I can’t stand more than a “Do as I say… not as I do” mentality. I’m still embarassed to say that he’s won the Nobel Prize for this scam! Man isn’t the cause of any global warming… just the recipient of a scam perpetrated by a snake oil salesman… to create a market for unnecessary good and services. All those who fell for this charm… did so drinking the Kool-aid he was serving.
Until next time I’ll be chilling here in Florida… which is nice and cooler than normal right now.
Hi Jennifer
Here are some more cooling records to add to your previous post
Geoff
The waves of cold, Canadian air washing over the eastern United States brought a record low to Athens this morning, breaking a low-temperature mark that stood for 117 years.
http://onlineathens.com/stories/111908/new_357656965.shtml
Highs will be as much as 20 degrees below normal today throughout most of the East, challenging even more record cold high temperatures.
http://www.accuweather.com/news-top-headline.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&date=2008-11-19_09:25
Global Cooling cuts the crime rate in Greenville County USA
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20081119/NEWS01/81119017/1001/NEWS