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Gone Fishing

I am going to take some time out from this blog to try and complete a couple of projects that I’ve started, but am having trouble finishing. So there may be no new posts here for a while.

In the meantime you can subscribe for my irregular email updates here:
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And check the ‘Community Home’ page for updates from other readers with their nature photographs and more here: http://jennifermarohasy.com/category/community/

And here’s a picture I took of a fisher, a darter cormorant, in Kakadu National Park a few years ago.

Interestingly according to one account of life in the Lower Murray in South Australia one hundred years ago there was a bounty on cormorants (that are closely related to darters), with 34,000 taken in one year ostensibly because they ate too many fish [1].

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[1] Travels in Australasia, by Wandandian see page 301

26th July 1909 at Caurnamont, near Mannum

‘Birds were very scarce, though we saw one fine old spoonbill wading round the swamp and swinging his head from side to side in the peculiar fashion these birds have while feeding.

On the latter day, while out shooting, I picked up a freshly decapitated turtle of the kind called by the natives “emys,” and on meeting a fisherman enquired of him whether he had caught many, and why it was without a head.

He replied that the turtles were so destructive of fish spawn, that a scalp fee of one penny was paid on the head of each by the Government, and that he caught a good many from time to time.

On further enquiry, I found that in the past year the South Australian Government had paid over £600 in scalping fees to various people for 116,000 turtles and 34,000 cormorants, thus satisfactorily explaining why the cormorants are so shy, and look upon every man with suspicion; for when one contemplates what a hunting they must have in the course of the year to furnish such an enormous “bag,” it would be decidedly strange if they were at all otherwise. In spite of all this I saw hundreds of them on the Murray and lake waters, so that I am sure many must pour in from outside to take the place of those that are shot, and should this be the case it will be many years before their numbers are at all reduced, or the Government get anything like the full value for their money, or even justify its expenditure.’

[Back then Murray cod were plentiful despite the turtles and the cormorant though now there are no Murray cod in that stretch of river below Lock 1.]

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  1. Comment from: Neville


    Ian I reckon working down that hole would be absolutely frightening.

    BTW Jo Nova has a post on SLR.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2012/12/are-sea-levels-rising-nils-axel-morner-documents-a-decided-lack-of-rising-seas/#more-25926

  2. Comment from: spangled drongo


    Neville, that’s a great post of Jo’s. The last 50-60 years agree perfectly with my own observations from benchmarks. As I have been known to state.

    Check it out gav.

  3. Comment from: Mack


    Here’s a bit of a laugh, My american son in law thinks it’s priceless..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v4Q9Wv10Ho

  4. Comment from: Robert


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  5. Comment from: Robert


    On second thoughts, why send money to an anonymous person in Texas with a zero feedback rating on eBay?

    Let’s just tip more billions into Third World guilt abatement. With the early ski seasons in Europe and the US, all the dodgy political types and UN trough swillers will be able to go straight from Doha to Aspen or Gstaad.

    Snow’s great everywhere! It’s just a matter of whether you want to spend other people’s dollars or other people’s euros.

  6. Comment from: Neville


    Robert you shouldn’t link to such absurdities. Luke, Gav, bazza and Poly would be tempted to take up the offer.
    As we’ve seen they’ll just about believe in any nonsense and rubbish involved with the CAGW mitigation CON.
    I mean that zero feedback rating would probably be a plus to these loons because thay don’t even understand simple kindy maths or very simple co2 graphs.

  7. Comment from: Neville


    What a pity the IPCC couldn’t be wound up and thrown in the nearest rubbish tip and all the hangers on told to go and get a real job.

    But the completion of the Doha idiocy is probably the best we could hope for.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/10/doha-post-mortem-some-green-activists-close-to-despair/#more-75533

    Great to see so many sceptics having their opinion printed in the MSM and bagging this delusional nonsense.

  8. Comment from: spangled drongo


    Robert, there should be at least one under every tree. Can you imagine how many Al is giving out?

    It’s the thought that counts, not the logic.

    But something must be working. Maybe it’s the stupidity:

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/global-cooling-since-1991/

  9. Comment from: gavin


    SD; if you expect me to look into jn, wuwt, morner or monckton ever again, you are most definitely off my xmas list.

    What an oddball water divining very once aponatime kite flyer you found there. Give me a climate scientist or oceanographer please!

    SD; can you say what your current best SLR estimate is in –mm/y given glaciers are still melting as they have been for a decade or two?

  10. Comment from: spangled drongo


    Gav, ever had to find water in the desert? Where you have to sink a well more than 100 feet with a pick and shovel?

    When you assess the most likely place, your chances are still pretty slim because the shaft is little more than a metre across [1.2 m is about as small as you can go and still swing a pick] so when a diviner then tells you exactly where to dig and you “get lucky” after 6 months of sweat and blisters, you aren’t about to dismiss his talents out of hand.

    I speak from personal experience yet I am still agnostic.

    “The results from the remaining 6 were said to be better than chance, resulting in the experimenters’ conclusion that some dowsers “in particular tasks, showed an extraordinarily high rate of success, which can scarcely if at all be explained as due to chance … a real core of dowser-phenomena can be regarded as empirically proven”

    OTOH, divining may be just a subconscious occurrence that “is consistent with” confirmation bias.

    What does that remind you of?

    But most of all, as good as these messengers are in spite of your bias, always remember to address the message, not shoot the messenger.

    And you also need to try and follow the full story on what glaciers are doing and supplement that with real world obs [IOW, tide gauges such as Moerner-- the producer of hundreds of peer-reviewed papers-- provides]

    As I said up-thread, my obs show that SLs are certainly no higher than I observed them to be 66 years ago and may well be lower.

  11. Comment from: Neville


    Gav I’ve shown you this before but I’ll link again. Just in case you’re trying to insist we’re heading for dangerous SLR by 2100. This covers our backside until 2300.

    http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/364/1844/1709/F4.expansion.html

    That’s 99% of the planet’s ice taken care of for the next 300 years, the other 1% you can find for yourself.
    You believe in models so you’ve got all the models here to study, covering Greenland and antarctica.

  12. Comment from: debbie


    Gavin,
    SD was much too kind in this instance.
    You seriously need to look outside you closed box and pay attention to the message, not make a poor (and largely second hand) attempt at ‘shooting the messenger’.
    You don’t usually do that here….I am somewhat disappointed in your attempt to do so this time.
    I’m sure others would think some of your hobbies and interests are rather ‘oddball’….but that doesn’t mean that you are unable to perform other tasks efficiently and/or use sound methodology.
    How about you examine the paper and make a genuine attempt to comprehend the methodology behind the conclusions?
    If you find something wrong there….I’m sure we’re all prepared to listen.

  13. Comment from: Robert


    Hate to keep repeating this, but once more for gav. SLR is a nineteenth century phenomenon that extended into the next century. That’s 19th. That’s a 1 plus a 9.

    NINETEENTH CENTURY.

    Got it?

    The world’s oldest tide gauges all show an increase in the rate of sea level rise from the 18th century. It’s also interesting that the post 1820 acceleration is the whip tail of a long term rise which just goes back and back. I’m assuming this link will be acceptable, since it’s got CSIRO pasted all over it.
    http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/sl_hist_few_hundred.html

    As with “extreme” and “dirty” weather, we’re supposed to use the past as a vague reference without actually examining the past. The New Man at Year Zero is not to consult history, though he may use words like “record”, “ever” and “unprecedented” as mystical charms or talismanic utterances.

  14. Comment from: Neville


    Interesting new study shows an increase in the Greenland ice sheet since the end of the LIA.

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00373.1

    Here is the abstract from the study, 1840 to 1996. That’s a 12% or 86 Gt per year increase. That’s 30% higher than the 1600 to 2009 period suggesting an accelerating trend in ice accumulation.

    Rather stuffs up a lot of theories. How much more ice do these ratbags want?

    Abstract

    Ice core data are combined with RACMO2 regional climate model (RCM) output (1958-2010) to develop a reconstruction of the Greenland ice sheet net snow accumulation rate (Ât(G)) spanning years 1600-2009. Regression parameters from RCM output regressed on 86 ice cores are used with available cores in a given year resulting in the reconstructed values. Each core site’s residual variance is used to inversely weight the cores’ respective contributions. The interannual amplitude of the reconstructed accumulation rate is damped by the regressions and is thus calibrated to match that of the RCM data. Uncertainty and significance of changes is measured using statistical models.

    We find a 12% or 86 Gt y-1 increase in ice sheet accumulation rate from the end of the Little Ice Age in ~1840 to the last decade of the reconstruction. This 1840-1996 trend is 30% higher than that of 1600-2009, suggesting an accelerating accumulation rate. The correlation of Ât(G) with the average surface air temperature in the Northern Hemisphere(SATNHt) remains positive through time, while the correlation of Ât(G) with local near-surface air temperatures or North Atlantic sea surface temperatures is inconsistent, suggesting a hemispheric-scale climate connection. We find an annual sensitivity of Ât(G) to SATNHt of 6.8% K-1 or 51 Gt K-1.

    The reconstuction, Ât(G), correlates consistently highly with the North Atlantic Oscillation index. Yet, at the 11-year time scale, the sign of this correlation flips four times in the 1870-2005 period.

    Corresponding author address: box.11@osu.edu

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  15. Comment from: spangled drongo


    CSIRO now claims 13.5 cm SLR for the last 171 years at Ross’ mark at Port Arthur but a few years back they weren’t too sure:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/467007.stm

    John Daly points out their error:

    “CSIRO Policy on the `Isle of the Dead’ revealed to BBC (13 Oct 99)

    One of the two co-authors of the unpublished internal CSIRO Report on the `Isle of the Dead’ near Port Arthur, Tasmania, Dr David Pugh, has made the CSIRO policy on the 1841 benchmark public by stating to the BBC that it was a high water mark struck in 1841, not a mean sea level mark.

    If that were true, it would mean there has been NO sea level rise in the last 160 years, none at all, because the benchmark now sits at the approximate high tide level anyway
    (in a location with a very small tidal range of only 60-70 cms).

    But Pugh has not told the `Beeb’ the whole story, as the benchmark was never intended as a high tide mark at all, but a mean sea level mark, meaning there may have been a sea level fall – Here is what the man responsible for the mark, renowned Antarctic explorer and ocean scientist, Captain Sir James Clark Ross wrote in 1847

    “My principal object in visiting Port Arthur was … to establish a permanent mark at the zero point, or general mean level of the sea as determined by the tidal observations which Mr. Lempriere had conducted with perseverance and exactness for some time: … The point chosen for this purpose was the perpendicular cliff of the small islet off Point Puer (the Isle of the Dead), which, being near to the tide register, rendered the operation more simple and exact; the governor, whom I had accompanied on an official visit to the settlement, gave directions to afford Mr. Lempriere every assistance of labourers he required, to have the mark cut deeply in the rock in the exact spot which his tidal observations indicated as the mean level of the ocean.”

    How much clearer does Ross have to be? It would be an outrageous slur on the good name of such a great man to dismiss his account so lightly, just in order to prop up modern politically-inspired theories about sea level rise. Besides, a local high tide mark would have been scientifically pointless.”

    So gav, no SLR but most likely SL fall over that period.

  16. Comment from: Neville


    That’s very interesting SD and fits in with my link above. That 2012 study shows more ice accumulation on Greenland since the end of the LIA.

  17. Comment from: gavin


    SD. “that’s a great post of Jo’s” and “my obs show that SLs are certainly no higher than I observed them to be 66 years ago and may well be lower” are consistent with not having having a sign or figure for a SLR debate

    Nev; from your link I found these. Can I leave you to work it out?

    http://www.bristol.ac.uk/geography/people/tony-j-payne/pub/4465193

    http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511535659&cid=CBO9780511535659A085

    Rob; good one, now what do you see for present SLR –mm/y?

    Deb; I had divining lessons way back after our neighbor stuffed up with a well site just 1M from our septic tank. A pro bore driller eventually struck water very deep under the hill on the road side. Given drilling is a sure way to find what ever, what is your experience with fencing wire or forked stick?

    Anyone. when did the polar glaciers stop melting?

  18. Comment from: Neville


    I’m sorry Gav you’ve lost me, when did I send you those links? One is from a book published in 2004.

  19. Comment from: Johnathan Wilkes


    SD

    “My principal object in visiting Port Arthur was … to establish a permanent mark at the zero point, or general mean level of the sea as determined by the tidal observations which Mr. Lempriere had conducted with perseverance and exactness for some time: … The point chosen for this purpose was the perpendicular cliff of the small islet off Point Puer (the Isle of the Dead), which, being near to the tide register, rendered the operation more simple and exact; the governor, whom I had accompanied on an official visit to the settlement, gave directions to afford Mr. Lempriere every assistance of labourers he required, to have the mark cut deeply in the rock in the exact spot which his tidal observations indicated as the mean level of the ocean.”

    How much clearer does Ross have to be? It would be an outrageous slur on the good name of such a great man to dismiss his account so lightly, just in order to prop up modern politically-inspired theories about sea level rise. Besides, a local high tide mark would have been scientifically pointless.”

    So gav, no SLR but most likely SL fall over that period.

    A genuine marvel of a quote and of course of great merit.

    What’s gav’s answer?
    Some drivel about his septic tank and his neighbor’s well in replying to Debbie.

    Where did she say anything about diviners and wells? I can’t find a connection but being busy I may have missed it.

    Come back Jennifer, you are greatly missed.

    Luke! please come back too, but please leave your alter ego behind?

  20. Comment from: Robert


    “…now what do you see for present SLR –mm/y?”

    Gav, I don’t know. You don’t know. Nobody knows.

    I hope Saint George win the 2050 Grand Final. But I don’t know who will win it. Neither do you. Neither does anybody.

    Re polar glaciers: they not only stopped melting in the 17th century but they grew alarmingly. Then they retreated a bit in subsequent centuries – thank God. As recently as the 1970s they were getting oversize. Then they did that melting thing again. They’re glaciers. They come. They go. The Pacific North West is of interest:

    “Beginning in 1950 and continuing through the early 1980′s, however, many of the major glaciers advanced in response to relatively cooler temperatures of the mid-century. The Carbon, Cowlitz, Emmons, and Nisqually Glaciers advanced during the late 1970′s and early 1980′s as a result of high snowfalls during the 1960′s and 1970′s. Since the early-1980′s and through 1992, however, many glaciers have been thinning and retreating and some advances have slowed, perhaps in response to drier conditions that have prevailed at Mount Rainier since 1977.”
    Mount Rainier National Park Info.

    Let’s just hope that the eruption of a Decade Volcano like Rainier doesn’t coincide with any global cooling from other causes. That’s when we’ll wish we had lots of shiny, new, efficient coal power plants.

  21. Comment from: Debbie


    JW,
    Debbie didn’t.
    For some reason Gav thinks that behaving like an odball excuses his poor behaviour in ‘shooting the messenger’.
    It doesn’t.
    Just to be clear Gavin; I have no experience and no particular opinion on water divining.
    You have avoided the point entirely and I am even more disappointed in your behaviour.
    Shooting the messenger is poor behaviour at any time and for any reason.
    If you have no opinion or no comment on the paper, just say so.
    Is there something amiss with the methodology or indeed the academic qualifications?
    His hobbies and interests outside of those related to SL have nothing to do with it.
    You have outside interests along with everyone else. Some people may believe some of your hobbies are ‘odball’ too.
    So what?

  22. Comment from: spangled drongo


    Yes JW, we really miss John Daly. He was a great thorn in the side of the alarmists.

    “Anyone. when did the polar glaciers stop melting?”

    Well gav, in Antarctica, which has 90% of the world’s ice, the mean annual temperature of the interior is −57°C so there is an ice bank that you can bank on and it will be more inclined to increase than decrease when even in summer the temps usually don’t rise above zero and a few weeks ago they were running at the mid minus 80s.

    I can’t see much melting even if we get the predicted warming [which isn't happening].

  23. Comment from: spangled drongo


    Gav, here’s something “consistent with” a sign for SLR.

    And that sign is all negative:

    http://www.john-daly.com/deadisle/index.htm#appendix

  24. Comment from: gavin


    SD; Climate Depot and MM are off my list too.

    Shooting time this month, next king tide above your old marks with a reliable wittiness on the day and a picture posted in public of all showing the difference

  25. Comment from: gavin


    SD; “that sign is all negative” mate; you arn’t keeping up.

    “Warm sea water is melting Antarctic glaciers”

    http://esciencenews.com/articles/2012/12/06/warm.sea.water.melting.antarctic.glaciers

    “Persistent inflow of warm water onto the central Amundsen shelf”

    http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v5/n12/abs/ngeo1644.html

  26. Comment from: spangled drongo


    Yes gav, we know that ice sheets are sensitive to ocean warming as Lukie loves to spout, but with record levels of sea ice and no SLR, maybe the oceans are just not that warm.

    Don’t make assumptions, look out the window.

    NO SLR!

    “The researchers want more and longer time series of oceanographic observations in order to improve the models and achieve a better understanding.”

    “Only then will we be able to say something about how the ice masses of the Antarctic and Greenland will change in the future.”

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if they adopted their own rules but when did lack of knowledge, evidence and understanding ever stop them from spouting rubbish in the past.

    Garbage in,

    Gospel out

    How does that

    Come about?

  27. Comment from: Debbie


    Gavin,
    Of course ice melts into water and water freezes into ice.
    Of course things change.
    There is always change.
    The ’causes’ of those changes are the point of disagreement.
    The CAGW argument claims that a significant portion of change is dangerous and is caused by human activity and particularly ACO2.
    The predictive models claim they have ‘teased out’ a correlation and a trend and the attached political agenda has hijacked them and claimed they are infallible crystal balls and we can control the change by creating a ‘carbon market’.
    Trouble is, the actual changes to temp and SL have fallen well below the predicted ranges and that ACO2 signal does not appear to possess the hypothesised power.
    It appears that the weather/climate and SL is not interested in conforming to the modelled trends and the ‘real’ environment possesses adaptive properties that we don’t fully understand and therefore CANNOT succesfully model.
    Whether you like/dislike the sources of information or the conclusions drawn from stat methodology is irrelevant.
    If the real time empirical evidence is not conforming to the modelled trends, then the models must be wrong and in serious need of correction and updating.
    Ignoring real time data does not make it go away.
    Shooting the messengers who are providing the updated data doesn’t make it go away either.
    Modelling is a very useful tool but it quickly loses that usefulness if it is not correctly updated.
    They don’t seem to have the relationship between all the variables correct.

  28. Comment from: spangled drongo


    Never heard it put like this before:

    “Walt Meier of the National Snow and Ice Data Center told the New York Times, however, that while the Parry Channel appeared nearly free of ice, it was not necessarily open to navigational. Sea ice can be thin enough to avoid detection by satellite sensors but thick enough to stop ships.”

    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/fast-melt-canadian-arctic-may-open-northwest-passage-year

  29. Comment from: el gordo


    Lot more snow around in the NH… interesting chart on the NAO… unchartered waters.

    http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/datapages/naoi.htm

  30. Comment from: Neville


    New study on the Antarctic peninsula shows that there is nothing unusual or unprecedented about the recent warming.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/23/antarctic_peninsula_ice_core/

    Certainly the first graph shows that SST is cooler today than recent times and further back into the earlier holocene.

  31. Comment from: Neville


    No matter how much the hysterics like to yell about Greenland warming the Richard Alley international study won’t go away.

    JUST LOOK AT THEIR TEMPERATURE GRAPH.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greenland_Gisp2_Temperature.svg

    It’s much cooler today than much of the earlier holocene.

  32. Comment from: Neville


    Interesting to print out the Alley GISP 2 graph and draw a line across the page at the 1950 temp point.
    From the 8.2 thousand year cold event to the 1950 point there are only 4 small intervals that are cooler than 1950.

    That would only cover about 1200 years at most of the 10,000 years or perhaps 12%. Therefore 88% of that holocene period would be warmer than 1950 in GISP 2. So much for unprecedented or unusual warming in Greenland. Total nonsense.

    Print out the graph and try the test for yourself. We in fact have much cooler conditions in Greenland today than for 8,800 years of the holocene.

    That graph again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greenland_Gisp2_Temperature.svg

  33. Comment from: el gordo


    A wonderful graph, Neville. I’ll take it away.

  34. Comment from: Ian Thomson


    Shivering yet ?
    125 left in the world and they won’t breed cause it is too cold for the fruit to grow.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/8066774/Poor-rimu-crop-threat-to-kakapo-breeding

  35. Comment from: Neville


    Remember Greenland temps were highest in the 1930s and 1940s with highest year being 1941.

    http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/greenland/vintheretal2006.pdf This was in 2006 and possibly warmed closer to 1940s since. Briffa and Jones were part of this study.

    Next temps today are much lower in Greenland than the earlier holocene.

    Remember Greenland cooled after 1950 and didn’t warm to near that level again until the late 1990s.

  36. Comment from: gavin


    Deb; re hobbies and SL, no models needed cause I work with the real thing, including hand tools, instruments, atmosphere, radiation, electricity, water, sludge, tides, soils, creatures and land forms.

    SD may appreciate, today I reassembled an old but minty bench plane hopefully for the last time. This odd No5 had me and others fooled since a market acquaintance shoved it my way as a boxed post war famous English make and hardly used. It slowly dawned that the thing has never worked from factory hence it’s apparent GC. After many jobs on it, mostly clean up I noticed the blade fell out while set at cutting depth. I eventually decided no fudge would fix the problem and so spent two days this week carefully re shaping the yoke that sits astride the brass thumb wheel. Finally I was forced to change the scrappy pivot pin to a neat fitting roll type and this combination produced the precision cutting depth that wood workers dream about.

    Moving on, the water divining rod is likewise a yoke but it pivots round your out turned thrums when held by its ends. Sensitivity to underground water is adjusted by the tension between thumb grip and weight of the Y form held near horizontal while pointing away. From experience this device can’t be calibrated in any way that could conform to repeat survey requirements. In fact results are often bewildering for the uninitiated. Uneven footsteps create chaos as the struggle to stabilize intensifies. A good reader must find his own balance with mother nature. A good driller works in a pattern.

    Nev; you can wait cause cause I can barely read, even see with 4 x daily paste in after several sessions at emergency chasing red eye syndrome most likely self inflicted given my workshop hours lately

  37. Comment from: Debbie


    So Gavin?
    What was ‘not real’ in Morner’s work?
    Does your work with ‘the real thing’ prove anything particularly alarming re ACO2?
    So far, all you have done is pointed out that things change.
    No one disagrees with that.
    The only constant in the natural environment is in fact change.
    You also fired a shot at the messenger for no apparently good reason.
    What about the evidence in Morner’s research?

  38. Comment from: Neville


    More peer reviewed work in this study from Norway.

    http://www.co2science.org/articles/V15/N47/C3.php

    This shows that present temps are lower than temps were during the earlier holocene. Just another study to back up the Greenland temp series I linked to above.

    Even if temps continue to rise it will just return us part way to the much higher levels that have been seen during the holocene. That’s in Norway and Greenland and probably most of the NH.

  39. Comment from: Neville


    Just looked at those graphs again for northern and southern Norway. The last small interval of the LIA looks to be as cold as any period of that holocene graph.

    Yet we’re supposed to be worried about this slight warming to very low levels after this minor ice age? Amazing.

  40. Comment from: cohenite


    Neville; good link on the WAP; there are many others:

    http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2007GL032529.shtml

    http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/38/7/635.abstract

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120822131212.htm

    You gotta love the last one reviewed at Science Daily; they say:

    “For this study we looked in detail at the last 15,000 years — from the time when the Earth emerged from the last ice age and entered into the current warm period. What we see in the ice core temperature record is that the Antarctic Peninsula warmed by about 6°C as it emerged from the last ice age. By 11,000 years ago the temperature had risen to about 1.3°C warmer than today’s average and other research indicates that the Antarctic Peninsula ice sheet was shrinking at this time and some of the surrounding ice shelves retreated. The local climate then cooled in two stages, reaching a minimum about 600 years ago. The ice shelves on the northern Antarctic Peninsula expanded during this cooling. Approximately 600 years ago the local temperature started to warm again, followed by a more rapid warming in the last 50-100 years that coincides with present-day disintegration of ice shelves and glacier retreat.”

    The full paper is here:

    ftp://ftp.nerc-bas.ac.uk/pub/photo/PR-2012-09-Mulvaney/documents/nature11391_proof1.pdf

  41. Comment from: Neville


    Thanks for those studies Cohers.

    Just thought I’d link again to Prof. John Christy’s graph showing Hansen’s 1988 predictions ABC but now compared to real satellite measurements from UAH and RSS.

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/Fig2.2-summer-fixed.gif

    The predictions are a joke and even the prediction of heavy co2 reductions is well above the satellite line.

  42. Comment from: Neville


    Even more fraud and con tricks out of Europe involving Deutsche bank and trading in co2 certificates.

    http://notrickszone.com/2012/12/12/500-german-authorities-raid-deutsche-bank-amid-alleged-tax-evasion-scam-surrounding-co2-certificate-trading/

    This is the path that the clueless Gillard govt has chosen to follow. We will be trading in dodgy fraudulent co2 credits to reduce our emissions by 5% by 2020.
    Of course this con trick trade will costs billions $ and won’t change the climate or temp by a whisker.
    And you don’t know whether the scraps of paper or certificates purchased will be genuine or not.

  43. Comment from: Robert


    Pastels are back! Notice how, on this website, everything is a baby-bland colour, to imply modesty and low footprint – except the money buttons, which are a slightly stronger green.
    http://www.terrapass.com/

    These people say they “create jobs in communities”. What is that supposed to mean? After the money has been skimmed, some will probably be left over for a crap green project somewhere. But how do you create jobs out of communities? Employ someone on the moon? They are pastel words, meant to soothe you automatically, as your fingers are led to those green buttons.

    It’s not all pastel. In case you thought they were wimps, TerraPass projects have “destroyed (sic) 4.2 million tons of CO2e.” It’s a bit like when Coca Cola did those Mother commercials. When the luvvie stuff isn’t working, show ‘em your violent side.

    Somebody obviously gives money to these people, but who?

  44. Comment from: spangled drongo


    Green steak?

    The answer to all the activist’s and alarmist’s problems?

    Coming to a supermarket near you:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/13/tech/innovation/lab-grown-meat/index.html

    I wonder how it would compare overall in GHG emissions with the real thing?

    Think of all the extra trees we could plant.

    I think I’d rather eat bamboo shoots, Robert.

  45. Comment from: gavin


    “Approximately 600 years ago the local temperature started to warm again, followed by a more rapid warming in the last 50-100 years that coincides with present-day disintegration of ice shelves and glacier retreat” seems to say it all coh.

    Since I can’t read the pine print, posts or links, lets leave it at that for now

  46. Comment from: Robert


    SD, one day they’ll be able to produce CNN journalism without input from any form of intelligent life. They’re already close.

    Re bamboo: This year was a wipeout for moso, but I did finally get the hang of natural pickling of the shoots. Yum. Once you’ve tried that mellow lactose tang you’ll never go back to vinegar.

  47. Comment from: el gordo


    A warming bias appears to be universal.

    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/massive-data-manipulation-at-nasa-warms.html

  48. Comment from: spangled drongo


    Gav, d’ya think these babies might have something to do with that Antarctic peninsula warming?

    A few of these could easily affect the local weather pattern a degree or two:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43729871/ns/technology_and_science-science/

  49. Comment from: Johnathan Wilkes


    SD

    Looks Like there is nothing new under the sun but we can still find a few things under the sea.
    So much for the “we know it all, the science is settled.” The hubris of these people is absolutely astonishing.

    Leat said the survey team was somewhat surprised by the find.

    “We knew there were other volcanoes in the area, but we didn’t go trying to find volcanoes,” Leat told OurAmazingPlanet. “We just went because there was a big blank area on the map and we had no idea what was there; we just wanted to fill in the seafloor.”

    And they sensor A Bolt for uttering an opinion.
    The complainants seem to be closely connected to the warming industry.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/12/13/the-betrayal-of-dan-conway/#comments

  50. Comment from: spangled drongo


    JW, that’s an apalling decision by the APC.

    Someone should have referred them to the long-term cooling for the last 8,000 years in that graph above.

    Here’s an old BoM media release on UHI gav needs to look at that I hadn’t seen before.

    Probably because they didn’t release it.

    Or the media forgot to mention it:

    http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/ho/20101013.shtml

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