INSTEAD of rising temperatures, the annual average temperature in Mississippi has declined over the past century. Instead of an increasing frequency of drought, the state’s moisture conditions have improved over the long run. Instead of failing crops, the state’s agricultural yields have been increasing. Natural cycles in the regional climate can largely explain changes in patterns of hurricane activity.
These are some of the findings in a new report entitled ‘Observed Climate Change and Negligible Global Effects of Greenhouse-gas Emission Limits in the State of Mississippi’ recently published by the Science and Public Policy Institute.
The report further concludes that any efforts to mitigate future climate change by legislation to curtail greenhouse gas emissions from Mississippi are doomed to fail—no matter how great the proposed emissions reductions. Even a complete halt to all greenhouse gas emissions from Mississippi will result in no detectable change in the future rate of global temperature or sea level rise. In fact, the global year-over-year increase in greenhouse gas emissions is fifteen times the total annual emissions from Mississippi. This means that a complete cessation of all greenhouse gas emissions from Mississippi—now and forever—would be totally subsumed by global emissions growth in only about three week’s time.
Read the complete report here, http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/mississippi_state_profile.html
Information for Kentucky can be found here,
ttp://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/kentucky_state_profile_.html
Indiana here, http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/indiana_state_profile.html
And Louisiana here, http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/louisiana_state_cliamte_profile.html
More about the Science and Public Policy Institute here, http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org
Click on the above image for a better/larger view of the temperature chart.
Jennifer Marohasy BSc PhD is a critical thinker with expertise in the scientific method.
The observed climate trends in Mississippi USA underline a reservation which I entertain about the whole idea of a ‘Global Climate’.
Whilst the trends in Mississippi are whatever they are, the trends in some other part of the world are quite different – different from that in Mississippi and from each other.
In the face of this observation, what on earth (pun intended) can it mean to say that the ‘global climate’ is such and such. Temperatures, precipitation, cloud development, ocean currents and all the rest occur over limited areas of the earth’s surface. They are regional, caused by regional factors.
No matter how ‘hot’ the mathematics, for me, any treatment of these phenomena which attempts to extend the observations beyond the limited areas of the earth’s surface to which they properly apply is of necessarily limited utility for the desciption even of contemporaneous observations from place to place.
Well what would you expect with a declining Walker circulation. After all God is a WASP North American for sure (male).
Kohl your are right to try and apply measurements to determine an average is this case is vexed. What we are are trying to do is determine an average of a temperature field. This means Mississippi may be incorrect in the average but surely that is not the point. The point is the state is unlikely to support “cap and trade” because their measurements over more than a hundred years show it is getting colder.
Luke thanks for enlightening us that it is the hundred year long Walker circulation. An astounding lack of thought or even conceiving what the article is about.
I see that Lomborg has been invited to Greenland by the ” Employer’s Association” to talk about climate change:
http://sermitsiaq.gl/klima/article84022.ece ( in Danish). Lomborg seems to greenwashing his image , photographed together with terns here;).
Lomborg says in the article that climate change is indeed caused by humans , but climate change should not be top priority.
NOTE: TODAY IT IS 6 DEGREES CELSIUS IN GREENLAND ; NUUK; WARM INDEED!!!!
” On Lomborg’s own website he acknowledges that global warming is a fact, and that it is a problem caused by humans. However, he states that climate change ought to be listed far down on a list of the earth’s most pressing problems. ”
http://sermitsiaq.gl/klima/article84022.ece?lang=EN ( article in English)
To a certain extent, the graph is a Rorschach blot. Depending on the time scale, we can see almost anything we want to see. For example, we see a warming trend for the 1980s and most of the 1990s, and then a cooling trend after 1998, both of which mirror the planet as a whole. It must be a slow news day in Mississippi.
Luke,
we also thank you for enlightening us on your Personal Belief in God as a White Anglo Saxon Protestant North American Male!! I am sure all the Christians, and other faiths, in Africa, India, China, the Middle East… will find you as hilarious as I do!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
dhmo draws attention to the fact that because the emissions from Mississippi are such a small portion of total emissions ” ….. a complete cessation of all greenhouse gas emissions from Mississippi—now and forever—would be totally subsumed by global emissions growth in only about three week’s time.”
In my opinion, exactly the same argument can be proposed for whole countries – e.g. Australia.
It is often touted that Australians have among the ‘highest per capita’ CO2 emissions in the world. But in comparison with the rest of the world, total Australian emissions are negligible.
No-one will ever know if the cap and trade ‘system’ being introduced by the Rudd Labour Government in Australia will have worked. Why? Because the net effect of the system, even if 100% successful (and that’s not likely IMO), will be so small as to be unmeasurable!
Anyone who thinks that we can measure net global temperature effects in tenths of a degree is just silly beyond words.
Larry it has the great indicator of absolute truth the “linear trend line” which is going down! Just ask Luke et al you know the hundred year long Walker circulation guy.
The important thing in this is politics. Will this cause Mississippi to go against Obama’s cap and trade?
Ann I don’t believe Lomborg believes that AGW is a fact. I mean the A bit he probably accepts that it is a bit warmer now than 1900 for mine I think it is uncertain. The acceptance of authority in this whole thing gets to me. He is an economist you know his profession was the one that caused god to invent climatologists. This was so that they could look believable. It seems if one want to know about climate then politicians, physicists, computer modelers or mathematicians are the one to accept as authority. No doubt some accept their priest as authority this pretty much the same thing really.
What really is important is. What was the past climate and what indicators of it do we have? When I say the past I mean as far back as we can go. For instance a surprising indicator is grain price. Grain is easier to produce when it is warm and so its price goes down. In the MWP it went down a lot and in the LIA it when up. None of this is hard and fast, also it is sketchy but it is critical to understanding that we live in an uncertain world. The climate we have enjoyed the last 100 years has been relatively benign we should be thankful for that. Everything of the past indicates that we do not want it to get colder and that no matter what we do it will. We just do not know when! I am concerned that will be sooner rather than later. It took 20 years to descend into the LIA. If you are interested, find out the dates and look at what happened to people in those times. Diet disease etc., are important. Mann denies the LIA. To do so also denies European and many other histories.
“Larry it has the great indicator of absolute truth the “linear trend line” which is going down!”
It has the great indicator of “Cherry Picking”. I can guarantee you will find some places that have cooled. In an area the size of the globe, it would be statistically inevitable.
Global Warming will mean changes in rainfall patterns, some will get more rain, others less. It will also mean more weather events, such as the severe flooding that has been observed along the river. The NW of Australia has also seen an increase in rainfall.
Well KookyKat – it’s OK for me to vision God as a WASP North American male as I’m an atheist.
Surely He would be ? And a Confederate too ?
Does not Mississippi simply reflect the dominance of El Nino or more correctly the slowing of the Walker circulation from AGW. (with a pinch of PDO & AMO. But more importantly given climate always delivers winners and losers – how is the SW of the USA doing?
Why just cherry pick them thar good ol’ boys ?
Luke and SJT as usual miss the point and obfuscate. If we are are going to talk cherry picking then the trend of the last 250 years is a cherry pick. Lets look at a reasonable period the last 5000 might be getting near it. Ho hum really really pathetic. It is not about temperature at all this is about politics get with it. Which is it stupidity or total ignorance?
May I recommend that Luke and SJT watch this week’s episode of Message Stick
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/messagestick/
it’s about Climate Change and the Indigenous Community.
You’ll enjoy it – they talk your language.
Well denialist goons – if you have any “points” make them. Don’t just try to surf my wake.
Luke
“But more importantly given climate always delivers winners and losers”
Could you elucidate?
I mean we have a climate now, that favors some areas and disadvantages others.
If the climate changes according to AGW theory, would it be true to say, that the effect will be the same?
Or are you saying, that it will be Armageddon everywhere?
Sure, Australia might be worse off but maybe the Sahara will bloom again?
Shouldn’t we aim for dealing with it instead of trying to hold back the tide?
Mind you it’s only rhetorical on my part, because I simply can’t take a piddling temp. increase over a century attributed to humans seriously, apart from the fact, that it all happened before without our interference.
Well denialist goons – if you have any “points” make them. Don’t just try to surf my wake.
Luke – as this thread shows – each to their own. What’s good for one area isn’t the same for another. Fair enough.
Australia’s “own” is acting normal (within natural variation) as is Mississippi (within natural variation). Do you have any evidence to refute that?
show me a region that is not (within natural variation).
“Luke and SJT as usual miss the point and obfuscate. If we are are going to talk cherry picking then the trend of the last 250 years is a cherry pick. Lets look at a reasonable period the last 5000 might be getting near it. Ho hum really really pathetic. It is not about temperature at all this is about politics get with it. Which is it stupidity or total ignorance?”
No, at a global level we can find the reasons for change over a reasonable period of time. At present, the change is due to increasing CO2 levels over the past century.
If we are are going to talk cherry picking then the trend of the last 250 years is a cherry pick.
this is rubbish. we are talking about the effect humans have on climate. looking at the last hundred years is THE ONLY real way of doing that!
What a stupid inference sod. Why the last 100 years? Why not look at ALL the data. A scientist ought not let himself evade any part of the reality.
Marcus – yes in an agricultural sense at least I think there will be winners and losers out of climate change.
So if the general prediction of a broadening and drying subtropics comes true …. well …?
and a more El Nino like mean state climate ?
Brian Fagan’s book on the MWP – “The Great Warming” might be a pre-taste.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Warming_Map.jpg < yes, we know.
Yup Luke, sod, SJT stupidity and ignorance. Of course I have read Fagan, Lamb and others we all should have read them long ago. We need all the past record. Sod you are saying we should only consider data that reinforces your position. I will type this slowly so perhaps you can comprehend. Extreme weather recently must be anthropogenic according to you but history shows us extreme weather was very evident to humans for the past several thousands of years. Cold causes extreme weather that is what history tells us Weather was benign in the 20th century compared to the past. Let us hope it does not get colder.
The critical sentence of this thread was “The report further concludes that any efforts to mitigate future climate change by legislation to curtail greenhouse gas emissions from Mississippi are doomed to fail”. Whether the conclusion about Mississippi temperature is correct or not does not matter it’s the politics we should be commenting about
“it’s the politics we should be commenting about” – pigs bum – I think it’s the science denialism. Obviously you didn’t learn much in all your reading.
I assume your level of logic goes something like “somebody died when their car crashed” ergo “all humans die in car crashes”. Brilliant mate. Just brilliant.
Luke you just lost the argument I am surprised you think you know what logic means. I have not seen you use it yet. Lets try
“a human died in the fifteenth century”,
“There were no cars in the fifteenth century”
therefore “the human was not killed by a car crash”.
Or
“There were extreme weather events in the fifteenth century”
“There was no industrialisation in the fifteenth century”
“Extreme weather events happen without industrialisation”
Well that’s why you’re a denialist goon. Did we ever say that extreme events don’t occur naturally. For trucks sake !
It’s a question whether AGW makes it worse than now …. are you really that thick .
you know trends – attribution.
“Did we ever say that extreme events don’t occur naturally” yes “we” did again and again and again….
You Mann really denies the MWP and LIA as minor events. For the past century our climate has been relatively mild as it was during the MWP. This is a taste of real whether:
“The winter 1740-1741 began early. The rivers of Salem, Massachusetts, were frozen over as early as October, and on 4 November air temperatures became very low (Perley 2001). Snow was falling, and measured a foot in depth on 15 November in Essex Country, Massachusetts. On 22 November the weather became warmer, and it rained for nearly three weeks. The snow melted, and the Merrimack River flooded its surroundings. At Haverhill, the river rose about 5 metres.
The the cold then came back, and both the Plum Island River and the Merrimack River was again frozen over from around mid-December, until the end of March. The cold became severe, and soon the river ice was able to carry the weight of loaded sledges drawn by horses. As far south as New York, the harbours were closed by ice, and ships remained frozen in for long time (Perley 2001).
Not only was the winter 1740-1741 characterised by very low temperatures, but also by huge amounts of snow. People in the region saw this winter as the most severe since the European settlement began. There was 23 snow storms in all, most of them being strong. On 3 February about a foot of snow fell, and about one week later there were two more storms, filling the roads in Newbury, Massachusetts, up to the top of fences. Snow depths of about 3 metres were reported from some places.
The snow remained on the ground into April and May 1741, delaying the time when the ground was ready for planting. The farmers were almost discouraged, thinking of the failure of the corn crop the year before (Perley 2001).”
Similar things happened in Europe the whole grain crop was lost to the cold and rain. St Anthony’s fire is related to these times. Whole coastal towns were lost overnight due to storms which also caused great erosion to coastal areas and off lying islands. It has been mild for the last hundred years only the virtual reality of GCMs showing it warming supports AGW. History and current reality falsifies it. Try to understand we live in a changeable world which only the delusional could believe to be controllable. As I said before you have totally lost the argument and revealed your extreme lack of understanding. Your hostility shows you as a weak inconsequential person who can see nothing other than your own blinkered reality. Bye
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I would be very suspicious of that discontinuity about 1958. M