Gillard’s $4 Million Propaganda: Send It Back!

Dear Jennifer, As you are probably aware, Julia Gillard announced recently that she wants to spend four million dollars of our hard-earned tax dollars to mail a pro-tax propaganda campaign to every Australian household. And this is on top of the twelve million dollars in TV Advertising already announced. And this is just the start!

So let’s send her a message. When we get our glossy, focus-group tested propaganda piece in the mail – let’s just send it back! Let’s flood their mailboxes and show Labor MP’s just what the Australian people think! If enough people do this, then maybe some Labor MP’s wlil finally be convinced to do the right thing and will VOTE NO!

If it arrives in an envelope simply write RETURN TO SENDER and post it. If it arrives as loose junk-mail, pop it into an envelope and address it to:
The Hon. Greg Combet
Minister for Climate Change
House of Representatives
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600

So when you get this piece of propaganda in the mail – don’t just toss it in the bin: SEND IT BACK!

Timothy Andrews, Managing Editor
Menzies House


65 Responses to Gillard’s $4 Million Propaganda: Send It Back!

  1. Neville August 2, 2011 at 8:06 am #

    I’ll definitely be sending it back, but first I want to read the idiotic nonsense to see how many lies they are peddling.

  2. Mike Lockhart August 2, 2011 at 10:06 am #

    While we are on this subject, check out some of the claims and predictions of her “Champion” Flannery, apart from “no more rain in south east Queensland” there is also the claim that the burning of fossil fuel will melt all the ice in the world and this will raise the ocean height by 80 metres, simple maths proves he loves to sensationalize and exaggerate his wild guesses!

  3. Bruce of Newcastle August 2, 2011 at 11:05 am #

    Probably more effective to send it back to your local MP. Addresses here.

    And here’s why:

    “one cabinet minister … acknowledged the carbon tax is destroying the government, yet they could not walk away from it. He could not see – or he was not prepared to admit it that openly yet – a way out and this only fed his frustration.”

    Unfortunately Mr Combet happens to be my local MP, which makes the gesture pretty futile for me. Still, who knows the horse may learn to sing.

  4. Catching up August 2, 2011 at 11:24 am #

    No, you must not read it.

    That is dangerous, don’t you know this PM is capable of changing your mind if you listen to what she has to say.

    You must continue to listen to what we tell you she is saying.

  5. cohenite August 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm #

    I just watched Tanya Plibersek on Q&A and my head exploded.

  6. Neville August 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm #

    But Cohenite can she/they really be that dumb or are they all just fraudsters and liars?

    Even silly Timmy concedes the hundreds to thousand years time scale.

  7. cohenite August 2, 2011 at 3:51 pm #

    Well Neville, I guess the question is are we being ruined by idiots or villians without consciences? Either way the defence is the same.

  8. Ray August 2, 2011 at 5:47 pm #

    If you want to make sure that the APO will deliver the ‘return to sender’,

    DEFINITELY put the brochure in an envelope, address it to…

    Greg Combet, M.P.
    House of Representatives
    Parliament House
    Canberra ACT 2600

    and DEFINITELY put a postage stamp on it.

    If the brochure is too big to go in a standard envelope, just tear off any excess, leaving a piece that does fit.

    They’ll get the message!

    If we all put postage stamps on the envelopes, then the Post Office is LEGALLY obliged to deliver ALL that mail.

    If we just ‘return to sender’ without a stamp, the government, seeing the huge volume of (unstamped) returns, could instruct the Post Office to just dump the returns.

    So, please DO…
    1) put the brochure (or a piece of it) in an envelope.

    2) Address, seal, stamp and then mail it.

    This WILL work.

  9. gavin August 2, 2011 at 6:18 pm #

    As ladies on Q&A go Tanya easily passed my test. You guys wouldn’t know a fair polly if you fell over one.

    Now go check her CV

  10. cohenite August 2, 2011 at 7:22 pm #

    gaaaav’s back! Plibersek said without a ‘carbon tax’ we wouldn’t be able to feed herself; that is so hypocritical coming from a green led government which has a track record of interfering with agriculture. The only reason we won’t be able to feed ourselfs is if the likes of princess Plibersek stay in power long enough to ban food production.

  11. Neville August 2, 2011 at 11:00 pm #

    Tanya’s leftwing and brainless, just check her embecilic comments.

    If we don’t reduce our 1.3% of co2 emissions by 5% we’ll bugger up the MDB, GBR, Kakadu etc.

    What a pair of star struck numbskulls Gav and Luke are and yes they really do believe the percentages and reductions above will make a difference.

    Silly dummies can’t even calculate at the level of simple primary school maths, they are indeed an embarrassment.

    Just a hint dummies all the developing countries aren’t listening and their emissions will be soaring for decades to come, plus they couldn’t give a rat’s backside what Australia does.

  12. John Trigge August 3, 2011 at 8:24 am #

    According to the IPCC, CO2 in the atmosphere is 97% natural and 3% man-made.

    Even assuming 400ppm, only 12 of those are man-made.

    If Australia is responsible for 1.5% of the 12, it’s difficult to understand how we are going to lose the Barrier Reef and Kakadu with less than 0.2ppm, our contribution.

  13. gavin August 3, 2011 at 8:50 am #

    John; stop procrastinating. People don’t expect a full science event on every Q&A. Panelists are usually invited to comment on supposedly fresh questions from a balanced audience. With little encouragement from the host they can get right into it as we saw this week.

    Anybody can see it’s just a humanizing process and Tanya did well as the messanger although skating way off folio.

    Re the reef; numbers for atmospheric AGW pollution dont count.

  14. cohenite August 3, 2011 at 10:22 am #

    Perhaps princess Plibersek should have read this new paper by David Stockwell first:

    But then I’m sure princess has never read anything not about her in her life.

  15. val majkus August 3, 2011 at 12:48 pm #

    Here’s a copy of an e mail I’ve received from the Galileo Movement with some suggestions on what to do with the carbon tax brochure:



    Please DO NOT simply mark Gillard’s Carbon Tax propaganda brochure (arriving in your letterbox soon) “RETURN TO SENDER” or post it with a stamp to Greg Combet.

    ALP politicans will just bin them and no one will ever know!!!!

    Here’s a better idea!

    Post the brochure with postage stamps to
    Mr Jacques Laxale
    CATA (Consumers and Taxpayers’ Association)
    7 Hunt Street, Schofields NSW 2762.
    CATA is helping to organize the August Canberra rally. The brochures will be delivered back to Paliament on that day – along with a video crew.
    (I have spoken to Mr Laxale and confirmed the above details.)

    Alternatively, consider forwarding your brochure with a brief note to –
    * your nearest federal Liberal/National MP or Senator; or
    * newly elected DLP Senator John Madigan. Electorate Office:
    17 Albert Street, Ballarat Vic 3350

    There have been many suggestions over the past week to Return to Sender the CO2 pamphlet about to arrive from the government.
    However, we’d rather you send your CO2 pamphlet to us! You’re welcome to read it first if you wish; mark it with a protest message if you like and then mail it to us at

    Galileo Movement PO Box 71, Ashgrove West Qld 4060
    (please write “AXE THE TAX” on the envelope)

    My preference is the CATA proposal esp if delivery is accompanied by a video crew

  16. Wattle August 3, 2011 at 1:15 pm #

    Tanya Plibersek needs to come across as being in support of the Greens policy because her seat of Sydney is an inner city seat. The Greens polled 24% in her seat in 2010, so opposing AGW is probably not a good policy for her if she wants to maintain a political career.

  17. Another Ian August 3, 2011 at 6:39 pm #

    Re Comment from: Ray August 2nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    And Comment from: val majkus August 3rd, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    If you’re going to tear it, then spread the other bits around as you post!

  18. Luke August 3, 2011 at 7:44 pm #

    It’s a frigging lynch mob – were their kids at the Cronulla riots. Great stuff – keep it up guys.

  19. Derek Smith August 3, 2011 at 8:17 pm #

    Anyone who thinks Tanya was any value needs to trade in their rose coloured glasses. IMO Brendan O’Neill was the stand-out performer on the show. Much as I dislike Peter Dutton, he should get some credit as well.

  20. el gordo August 3, 2011 at 9:05 pm #

    ‘No, you must not read it.’

    Very dry CU, but nobody around here picked up on it. Try again, imitate Luke, he’s our resident troll.

  21. spangled drongo August 3, 2011 at 9:50 pm #

    “If Australia is responsible for 1.5% of the 12, it’s difficult to understand how we are going to lose the Barrier Reef and Kakadu with less than 0.2ppm, our contribution.”

    John Trigge,

    And if the atmosphere was represented by a kilometer, that “less than 0.2ppm” would be 0.18 mm.

    Seven thousandths of an inch!

    About the thickness of a human hair!

  22. Another Ian August 4, 2011 at 8:13 am #

    “Essay By Reader Paul H : Is our climate becoming more extreme?”

    More at

    And don’t miss

    “69% reckon climatologists falsify data

    Aug 3, 2011 Climate: other

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of American Adults shows that 69% say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data in order to support their own theories and beliefs, including 40% who say this is Very Likely.”


  23. Steve Schapel August 4, 2011 at 8:52 am #

    I agree with those recommending posting it to someone who will be able to use it to advantage, e.g. CATA or Galileo.

  24. hunter August 4, 2011 at 10:16 am #

    Credit where credit is due.
    The Australian government plan on carbon is a road map to stupidity, a phrase turned out by none other than Luke himself.
    There should be a way to make it clear to the Australian leadership that this is a map that goes where Australians do not wish to go.
    The send back of the ridiculous wasteful mail out pieces is a nice way to start.
    Forwarding the trash to a group already standing up is a good idea. What about sending it through to some of the MPs who are possibly reasonable on this?

  25. Derek Smith August 4, 2011 at 10:35 pm #

    OT but if you haven’t listened to this podcast from Murray Salby at the Sydney Istitute, you are missing something groundbreaking.
    It specifically puts to bed the whole C12/C13 thing.

  26. Luke August 5, 2011 at 7:14 am #

    Struth !

  27. spangled drongo August 5, 2011 at 11:46 am #

    Thanks Derek,

    Sounds like it’struth to me too.

    Good to see the Sydney Institute are prepared to air the science.

  28. spangled drongo August 5, 2011 at 2:40 pm #

    Our “Clean Energy Future” just arrived in a slippery, clear plastic wrap so you can’t write “return to sender” on it.

    A lot of talk about “the big polluters” but the biggest one is guess who. Very environmentally friendly.

  29. cohenite August 5, 2011 at 7:09 pm #

    This guy Salby appears to know what he is talking about.

    Is the Sydney Institute the Clive Hamilton mob or is that the Australia Insitute?

  30. Another Ian August 5, 2011 at 8:43 pm #

    Re Comment from: spangled drongo August 5th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Maybe try a cattle ear tag pen – they’re made to write on plastic.

  31. el gordo August 5, 2011 at 9:29 pm #

    Anthony Watts has picked up on the Salby story.

    “I’m pretty sure Australian bloggers John Cook at Skeptical Science and Tim Lambert at Deltoid are having conniption fits right about now. And, I’m betting that soon, the usual smears of “denier” will be applied to Dr. Salby by those two clowns, followed by the other usual suspects.”

  32. spangled drongo August 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm #

    cohers, I don’t think Gerard would give Clive much house-room:

    Ian, I put it in another envelope and sent it to Combet with a few bon mots.

  33. Neville August 6, 2011 at 8:11 am #

    I’ve known about Gerard Henderson for years, but I didn’t know of his involvemenet in the SI.

    On the site he seems to be getting a good mix of left and right praise for the Institutes work.

  34. Ross johnson August 6, 2011 at 5:07 pm #

    Derek Smith is carrying on with a lot of ad hominem BS.”Were their kids at the Cronulla riots?”You draw parallels that are totally divorced from reality.It just goes to show how low the Green movement are prepared to go.

    Come the next election ,Labor and hopefully the Greens will suffer their worst electoral defeat in their history.Jo Nova used to be a Green and she knows how Communistic their agenda has become.

    The only seat labor will have left will be in the dunny,and in the toilet bowl will be their epitaph,”Damn liars who betrayed their own people”.

  35. Neville August 6, 2011 at 5:23 pm #

    Ross you owe Derek an apology, that silly nonsense was delusional Lukey’s stupid effort.

  36. gavin August 6, 2011 at 5:49 pm #

    Nev; it seems Ross is just another skimmer, but what else can we expect given that hopeless lead in on this thread!

    BTW; our local ALP rep has been downtown serving it up on the streets and I say that takes real courage

  37. spangled drongo August 6, 2011 at 8:04 pm #

    “BTW; our local ALP rep has been downtown serving it up on the streets and I say that takes real courage”

    gav, ya mean, with the world economy a basket case, you actually disagree with that looney tax, too?

    Things are looking up!

  38. spangled drongo August 6, 2011 at 8:15 pm #

    But then, I s’pose, there’s no such thing as a basket case economy in Canberra with the ALP/Greens in charge.

    Well, er, at least not until we are another trillion or two in the red.

    If the PIGS can do it, I’m sure we can. Plenty of great examples there!

    It’s the blind leading the blind in the ACT!

  39. spangled drongo August 6, 2011 at 8:27 pm #

    But in times like this when ya super’s doin’ the slide, ya gotta look on the bright side. At least the apricot trees are in flower, the weather’s fabulous, the birds are singing and there was a koala in the back yard today.

    Still be terrible to be dead.

  40. gavin August 6, 2011 at 8:42 pm #

    SD; I keep a close on the local economy as you should know and today was no different except I invited a cross section of the public right into my lot below.

    As I often do I quizzed some on the climate thingy too. much better than blog gossip cause these folk are not only mobile but are educated enough to be very employable in a rather competitive market

  41. el gordo August 6, 2011 at 9:30 pm #

    There’s a double dip recession in the offing and also a double dip Nina.

  42. Ross August 6, 2011 at 9:42 pm #

    Gavin seems to be another egocentric personality who refuses to address real science.Personal abuse,attempted character assasination and ad hominem are his tools of trade.Tell us oh Gavin,the real depth of your of your perceptions in regards to truth and integrity.

    Your hyper-ventilated posts constantly fail to connect truth with your version of reality.Trendoid posts that seek to denergrate without intellectual substance, are sterile.

  43. spangled drongo August 6, 2011 at 9:52 pm #

    “are educated enough to be very employable in a rather competitive market”

    gav, what’s competitive about a “Tax and Spend” growth economy?

    eg, seeing as we haven’t had a cyclone, to speak of, crossing the coast south of the Tropic of Capricorn for 35 years, we are well and truly overdue and that cycle has yet to start again. So I think you may be right.

    If those old times return you will really hear screams of “unprecedented” climate catasta- strofes.

  44. gavin August 7, 2011 at 8:49 am #

    SD; that word “unprecedented” is a fair signal for astute weather watchers who are not bogged down with climate science protocol and IMO this is where the general public will wind up.

    Given I came to the “Bush Capital” in 1986 to better gauge the national politics, it has been an interesting exercise to witness the development of that opinion. Yesterday I chatted with a young recruit for the new “department” of Climate Change, a maths graduate who skims the internet in his spare time seeking enlightenment on the numbers who don’t believe, a huge ratio he said. His young wife from a different department offers another perspective as her folks come from Bangladesh and they all go back every couple of years.

    But it’s the middle aged couple fresh from Canada who have the best clue, drought in their folks territory and no crop planting for the first time in 35 years.

    Last night I found a set of photos on Facebook posted only yesterday by a friend from Yass with a very good lense depicting yet again some very narrow beaches to the south of Hobart. Weather watchers should note we had a spot of rain over SE Oz and a couple of big lows to boot.

  45. el gordo August 7, 2011 at 9:21 am #

    Gavin the department of Climate Change will be disbanded under Yabbott and Hockey, tell everyone you know to look for another job.

    Here s a little more on why the oceans have been cooling since 2003.

  46. Mack August 7, 2011 at 9:24 am #

    Speaking about CO2 ,
    A good way of conceptulising the volume of CO2 in the atmosphere is to get hold of a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle and make it up. I think my maths say that CO2 volume accounts for less than 1/2 of a single jigsaw piece. (check the maths Cohers 🙂 )
    The crazy believers say that the “warmth” from this 0.38th of a single piece can raise the temperature of the rest of jigsaw. Barmey. NFQ.

  47. gavin August 7, 2011 at 10:01 am #

    EG; there is only one age old thermometer that counts and it aint going down soon.

    Mack; you stick with those jigsaws and enjoy

  48. spangled drongo August 7, 2011 at 10:54 am #

    Mack, check John Trigge’s and my posts higher up the page.

    Gav, here’s an age-old thermometer that ain’t going up anything like the past.

    And what conclusions have you come to in your gauging of “our engine room” since 1986?

    Has it by any chance occurred to you that as the public breast gets enlarged it requires more sucklers?

  49. Mack August 7, 2011 at 11:01 am #

    Gavin, Luke et al,
    The only snag in this debacle is that the tax is due in BEFORE the election, and if it eventuates, you suddenly will not hear a peep about climate, climate change, pollution, or any of this b/s from anybody. This is because the whole nation will have the nagging sense of being conned and nobody likes to talk about an issue where it involves themselves as being conned. The whole issue will be swept under the carpet; even msm will generally shut the f. up.
    This is what has happened in NZ and what Joolya is counting on.

  50. Mack August 7, 2011 at 11:18 am #

    Thanks Spanglers,
    Hell , the whole volume of CO2 is minute enough without having to whittle it down even further to the manmade stuff. 🙂

  51. Robert August 7, 2011 at 1:18 pm #

    There seem to be three varieties of UNPRECEDENTED:

    UNPRECEDENTED because you’ve probably forgotten about the previous time it happened.
    UNPRECEDENTED because new measuring and reporting mechanisms massively restrict the time-frame.
    UNPRECEDENTED because exact comparison is impossible.

    One of the biggest strategies of alarmists is to abolish the past, when it can’t be manipulated, and to presume on the future using the infinitely pliable nonsense of “modelling”. (Does that remind anyone of a certain political philosophy?)

    But the past won’t go away.

    Where I live now, the worst flood cluster (three years in a row) occurred in the late nineteenth century. Worst flood was 1949. Worst 12 months of flooding 1949-1950. Hottest decade by far (judging by monthly maxima) was from 1910 to 1919.

    But, for individual events, nothing beats this heatwave, in the place where I grew up:

    “…At 9 a.m., 85 degrees. At noon, 104. Half past twelve, 107½. From one p.m. until 20 minutes past two 108½. At 20 minutes past two, 109. At Sunset, 89. At 11 p.m., 78½. [By a large Thermometer made by Ramsden, and graduated on Fahrenheit’s scale.]…

    But even this heat was judged to be far exceeded in the latter end of the following February, when the north-west wind again set in, and blew with great violence for three days. At Sydney, it fell short by one degree of what I have just recorded: but at Rose Hill, it was allowed, by every person, to surpass all that they had before felt, either there or in any other part of the world. Unluckily they had no thermometer to ascertain its precise height. It must, however, have been intense, from the effects it produced. An immense flight of bats driven before the wind, covered all the trees around the settlement, whence they every moment dropped dead or in a dying state, unable longer to endure the burning state of the atmosphere. Nor did the ‘perroquettes’, though tropical birds, bear it better. The ground was strewn with them in the same condition as the bats….”

    That’s for the summer of 1790-1791.

    The past won’t go away.

  52. cohenite August 7, 2011 at 1:25 pm #

    SD, is that right, gav is a suckler on the public breast?

  53. Luke August 7, 2011 at 1:26 pm #

    Mack – an appeal to teensey weensy is purely rhetorical. Spencer, Lindzen, Monckers and even Joanne darling agrees 2 x CO2 = 1C

    There are really only a handful of matters that matter.

    (1) water vapour feedback
    (2) cloud feedback
    (3) trends in extremes (sorry Robert)
    (4) is it cheaper to adapt than mitigate
    (5) whether setting an example is brilliant …. getting ahead of the game with foresight or stupid if noone else follows

    Everyone else is ruse material.

  54. spangled drongo August 7, 2011 at 2:01 pm #

    Robert, that’s a fascinating event and it makes you wonder just how hot it really was at Rose Hill that day.

    Luke will say it doesn’t count because there weren’t any SSs in those days.

    But as I’ve spouted before, the only time I’ve seen a bird die in flight was on a 122 f day so it must have been warm.

    Cohers, with all this artificial enlargement it would seem Julia and Bob want us all there but after seeing the PIGS, I think I’ll keep the cow.

  55. Robert August 7, 2011 at 2:05 pm #

    Urgent: to all those who wish to set a brilliant example by reducing emissions of CO2.

    The Australian government is refusing to implement any EFFECTIVE alternative energy projects.
    The Australian government is refusing to plan for the modernisation of the coal plants which will be required indefinitely to supplement its ruinously expensive and INEFFECTIVE alternative energy projects.
    The Australian government, ravenous for cash, will expatriate coal in massive quantities, and this coal will not be used for decoration. It is even rumoured that it will be burnt in exactly the same atmosphere as the one which covers the Australian continent!
    The Australian bushland is ever more vulnerable to hot burns, and bushfires at the end of the current wet conditions and the beginning of the next drier cycle will make a mockery of any piddling emissions reductions resulting from a mere ETS. With work, money and consultation with those aboriginal people who still have a good understanding of our flora and landscape, much CO2 could be kept out of the atmosphere.

    This is urgent for all of you who want to see reductions in CO2 emissions, and to set that brilliant example. Don’t hang about here arguing with old Tories like me.

    Fight the Power! Stop Brown and Gillard now!

  56. Robert August 7, 2011 at 2:19 pm #

    “Robert, that’s a fascinating event and it makes you wonder just how hot it really was at Rose Hill that day.”

    SD, I think I’ve experienced equivalent or higher temps (2004) than those experienced by Dawes and Tench, but winds were normal. I’ve also experienced twice (early eighties and around 2000) the phenomenon of the north westerlies in summer, but the temps were only very hot. Budgies died in cages, but, even though our area is thronged with flying foxes, parrots etc, I observed no wildlife deaths.

    It’s the combination of the searing temp and north westerlies that would make this event of 1790-1 so severe. I’m sure when it happens again, it will be very…


  57. Mack August 7, 2011 at 2:40 pm #

    Teensey weensey (a measured amount) is fact; not just rhetoric and I’ll go with the scientists who contend there is no “greenhouse” effect from CO2.
    1) See Nasif
    2) WTF
    3) See Robert
    4) Yes
    5) Setting an example that the US, Japan, China ,India won’t follow is yes, very stupid Luke. How do you feel about following NZ.? Cheerie? no, thought not.

  58. cohenite August 7, 2011 at 3:02 pm #

    luke and gav should take this quiz:

  59. cohenite August 7, 2011 at 4:04 pm #

    While I’m linking to stuff I thought this was good, despite [inspite] being at our abc:

    Koala Blue :
    05 Aug 2011 4:59:20pm
    Here are a selection of Labor’s climate buzzwords and phrases translated into English for the rest of us:

    Carbon: carbon dioxide

    Pollution: environmentally beneficial

    500 biggest polluters: 500 most productive industries.

    A carbon tax will help tackle climate change: I failed Kindergarten science.

    Green jobs: unemployment

    There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead: Bob Brown leads the government

    Greens: Marxists

    Hottest decade on record: hottest decade in the last 3 hundred-millionths of the planet’s lifespan

    Unprecedented: I have the memory of a goldfish

    Wind power: an oxymoron

    The science is settled: shut up

    The debate is over: shut up

    Bob Brown: a watermelon

    Consensus: don’t mention the science

    Climate change is a moral issue: don’t mention the science

    Green economy: the Stone Age

    We must invest in clean technologies: I own shares in the companies that manufacture them

    The Central Coast is most at risk from rising sea levels: Tanya Plibersek has lost her marbles

    China is taking action on climate: Greece is a paragon of economic integrity

    We must respect the science (© M Turnbull): we must respect the science that fits our ideology

    80% cuts in emissions by 2050: the lunatics have taken over the asylum

    Deniers: the Government

  60. Keith August 7, 2011 at 7:51 pm #

    If you’re going to send it to Combet, you might consider penning a short note to him asking why he is so recklessly endangering his family by living opposite a beach with an ocean view. You might also ask him whether he can foresee any circumstances under which he will retain his seat at the next election.

  61. Luke August 7, 2011 at 9:39 pm #

    Laughable dross Mack. Nasif – pffft ! And WTF sums up your knowledge doesn’t it.

    As for Cohers list – sounds alarmist !

    Climate sceptics = far right = Tea Party = definite red-necks = the enemy within = the cure is worse than the disease = Cronulla riot mentality (I spent an evening listening at a Monckertorium).

  62. Mack August 7, 2011 at 10:25 pm #

    Yeah “cloud feedback” Luke,
    Well come on smart boy enlighten everybody here with your depth of knowledge by explaining the interaction between CO2 and clouds,ie without just saying the warmer it gets the more clouds blah blah. Small simple question..How does “cloud feedback” differ from “water vapour feedback”? We all have our shell-likes awaiting your science.

  63. Luke August 8, 2011 at 6:05 pm #

    Well Mack – are you a bit of a numb nuts – it’s a sceptic meme in fact. Do try to keep up.

    But if you want to say it’s crap. Suits me. (Thanks for playing and next time send your Mum)

  64. Mack August 8, 2011 at 8:30 pm #

    Well Luke you and Dessler have the idea that “something” globally initiates an increase in temp. which then causes more clouds? Which causes more “backradiation” ? (a better “blanket”?) which you call “cloud feedback.”
    I’m of the opinion that cloud changes simply act as a thermostatic governor; their presence by day shielding the surface causing “cooling”, and by night slowing the rate of heat loss causing “warming”.
    It is better to be simplistic than crackpot Luke.

  65. Luke August 9, 2011 at 12:13 am #


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