China has already overtaken the US as the world’s “biggest polluter”, a report to be published next month says.
The research suggests the country’s greenhouse gas emissions have been underestimated, and probably passed those of the US in 2006-2007.
The University of California team will report their work in the Journal of Environment Economics and Management.
Read the rest of the article:
BBC Website: China ‘now top carbon polluter’
The above article was written by the BBC’s Roger Harrabin. Any activist using climate change as an excuse to promote state control, higher taxes, mobility restrictions, energy poverty, an end to economic growth etc, may wish to email Mr Harrabin and he may change it to reflect your version of the ‘truth.’
Bruce Cobb says
Look at all that “C02 pollution” billowing from those smokestacks, and contributing to all that smog. But wait, isn’t C02 transparent, odorless, and in no way poisonous and certainly no part of smog, which is a mixture of ozone, S02, NO2, and CO? That can’t be right though, because that would mean the Harrabin and the BBC are liars. Never mind.
vg says
JM Might want to post this
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89619306
There another one about libelling Hansen at her web page
vg says
here the one about hansen
http://home.earthlink.net/~ponderthemaunderg/ponderthemaunder/
Eyrie says
So, vg, what was libelous about the last link you give?
vg says
Eyrie:This is the original web page that I saw
http://scienceblogs.com/islandofdoubt/2008/04/16yearold_libels_james_hansen.php
The other is the girls actual web page
Make up your own mind LOL
Schiller Thurkettle says
Someone needs to produce a report showing that CO2 “pollution” is choking plants to death.
Or, conversely, that CO2 “pollution” is diluting planetary concentrations of O2, thereby leaving us gasping for breath.
Or, perhaps, how historically vaster concentrations of “CO2 pollution” (not caused by SUVs, etc.) made the planet bloom.
Made the planet bloom, luxuriantly, before the advent of the human race.
Yeah, you can tell, I am not frightened. In spite of Luke’s blandishments.
Tony Edwards says
http://www.foe.org/textbook/Hansen_Letter.pdf
vg You might want to check out your hero bullying a publisher
Ian Mott says
Bollocks vg. If Hansen thinks he has been defamed then he can explore his remedies in court. He hasn’t done so and clearly has not been defamed.
vg says
Hey Guys I am a Skeptic par excellence (used to be believer until I saw gore’s film). Feels strange being attacked by skeptics.. but novel.
Check out
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/kristen-byrnes-interview-on-npr/
I actually alerted him to this (previous blog). Hansen’s data is irreconcilable with RSS and UAH and me thinks hadcrut is not very credible at this stage (probably the way they CALCULATE ie asia this march). Cheer up
patrick says
“But wait, isn’t C02 transparent, odorless, and in no way poisonous and certainly no part of smog, which is a mixture of ozone, S02, NO2, and CO?”
I wasn’t aware that the problem with CO2 was that it was poisonous. Not a very well constructed straw man I’m afraid, the head just fell off.
Bruce Die Hard Willis says
All skeptics are supposed to punch each other up.
It’s not a love or Circle sex club.
Waiting for the snip.
peterd says
Tony Edwards: http://www.foe.org/textbook/Hansen_Letter.pdf
vg You might want to check out your hero bullying a publisher
Hansen “bullying” a publisher? I read the document (thanks for that, by the way) and it did not read like “bullying” to me.
SJT says
I must say, it would be nice to be able to say to China, “Here, you don’t need to emit all that CO2, we have developed and proven technology that will allow you to have a better life and reduce emissions”.
Unfortunately, stonewalling on CO2 emissions has worked wonderfully.
drw says
Australia is still one of the highest “emitters” on a per capita basis – let’s not get too smug ….
gavin says
“In China, sea level rises as predicted by the scientists could force around 72 million people to relocate” AAP
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/news/world/general/seas-may-rise-faster-than-un-believes/1225016.html
Louis Hissink says
Since when has breathing been pollution?
Bruce Cobb says
“I wasn’t aware that the problem with CO2 was that it was poisonous. Not a very well constructed straw man I’m afraid, the head just fell off.”
Good catch, moron. The point is, CO2 is being called “pollution”, and part of smog, which is composed of, if not poisons, then noxious elements
which are certainly bad to breathe, and even dangerous for people with respiratory and other health issues.
Ian Mott says
SJT “we have developed and proven technology that will allow you to have a better life and reduce emissions”. Yes, it is called nuclear power and they are already investing in it big time.
Ian Mott says
SJT “we have developed and proven technology that will allow you to have a better life and reduce emissions”. Yes, it is called nuclear power and they are already investing in it big time.
Woody says
Amazing. Or, maybe it’s not. The leftists in this thread, rather than being coming down on China like they have the West, say things like “we can’t talk because we’ve done it, too” and “we taught China how to stonewall rather than change.” I guess this shows their true anti-capitalist agenda.
Schiller Thurkettle says
Come on.
Nobody here can possibly believe that the uproar is over China’s CO2 emissions.
That’s just a proxy. China is building an economy which is challenging the US and the EU for world supremacy.
If you were a world power, and had about as much of a conscience as Al Gore, you would complain about China’s CO2 as well.
And maybe impose a “carbon tax” on China’s exports.
This is just a trade war in disguise. Or, more aptly, dressed in “green drag.”
Woody says
Reasons not to bring up China’s pollution-updated:
1. We can’t talk because we’ve done it, too
2. We’re the ones that taught China how to stonewall rather than change
3. Complaints about China are based on economic envy.
Ian Mott says
Reason number;
4. They have secretly concluded that climate science is complete bollocks but are sensitive to the perceptions of punters and leaders in their major target markets. So they extract maximum leeway from the poverty of their population for as long as it lasts and for as long as they can prop up that myth with a seriously undervalued currency.