You still don’t know what you’re talking about and
six you seem to think its perfectly OK for bureaucracies to interfere and waste resources for no discernable result and
seven, you think this is about Labor, Green vs Coalition politics and
eight, unless you see it in a bureaucratic type report, in your world it isn’t worth anyone’s attention.
In case you haven’t noticed Gavin, we’re not interfering in your life and your livelihood but the people you worship are most definitely interfering in ours. They have already spent over $1 Billion and achieved what exactly?
And just so you understand, that applies to both sides of politics.
You just have to love clowns like Neville reduced to trawling through BoM’s climate data for something to suit his argument – I think southern Australia still might a tad large dough boy being half the continent – NOT what the science is saying numb nuts. Try reading some science and stop slumming it with the data povs and denier dweebs.
Research in Theme 1 is contributing to a better understanding of the factors that influence climate and
streamflow within south-eastern Australia (SEA). Having previously established the relationship between southeastern
Australian rainfall and the Sub-Tropical Ridge (STR) intensity and position, the focus this year has been to
investigate the relationship between this key controller of SEA rainfall and large-scale indices of the Mean
Meridional Circulation such the Australian Monsoon Index and the intensity and latitudinal extent of the Hadley
circulation.. The overall picture emerging is that the changes seen across SEA are part of changes in large-scale
atmospheric circulation patterns and, in turn, in climate affecting the entire southern hemisphere. For example,
a range of datasets and methods indicate that the tropics are expanding, pushing the downward descending
arm of the Hadley circulation further south. Although not very large (of the order of 0.5° per decade), evidence
for this expansion appears very robust. One important finding was that changes in both the Sub Tropical Ridge
intensity (STR-I) and Sub Tropical Ridge position (STR-P) are related to the expansion of the Hadley circulation.
While this was anticipated for the STR-P, this is a surprise for the STR-I, which was expected to relate more to the
intensity of the Hadley cell. These observed changes are changing the nature of the rainfall across SEA: rain
bearing systems affecting SEA are less often due to mid latitude cyclones and increasingly due to larger systems
centred further north. This signal is seasonally dependent and peaks during summer and autumn, providing
insight into the observed autumn rainfall deficit. Finally, a climate model reproduced the expansion of the
Hadley circulation only if anthropogenic influences on atmospheric greenhouse gas and particle concentrations
were included in the model. Furthermore, the model also related the strengthening of the STR to the expansion
and not the intensity of the Hadley circulation.
Do you really want to go there?
How about we do a comparison of tax payer spending urban vs rural as well as a comparison of productive GDP returns per capita urban vs rural?
After that we could also factor in mining income which is also situated almost exclusively in rural areas and have a little sqiz at where that tax income is spent.
And don’t forget we need to factor in the wages of all the new PS jobs that have been created because they’re paid with tax dollars too
A little bit of perspective would be much appreciated.
BTW those of us who received the much appreciated assistance during the drought are right now in the process of proving it was a good investment.
Also, the interference I alluded to was not just about money.
You and Gavin along with the people you appear to unconditionally worship have continually refered to rural and agricultural communities as some type of inferior, second class citizens who have catastrophically destroyed the pristine Australian environment.
You have inferred that we need ‘transitioning’ because we are the great uneducated hokey unwashed who could not possibly understand the ‘high level principles’ that you almost religiously stick to
The truth is you are just ordinary people like us and you are just as likely to make mistakes as we are.
And we’re just as likely to often bail you out.
Deb; rhetoric like your last post keeps me worried that you may actually be trying to represent your community.
Recall; I’m a country boy at heart and don’t hold a grudge re other folk from a similar background. I also worked with water in many industries including some that do destroy an environment such as mining.
What is clear though it’s you who is stuck in a rut over water management and the people tasked with moving us on in a new era of control. Nobody is out to get you and least of all me. What you should see is a little light from the other side of the PS divide.
Today I lobbied our pollies on a quite different rural hazard. We can expect that they will come back to the community soon with another piece of leglislation and that’s as it should be regardless of who is restrained by the act.
That was a great example of missing the point.
The southern ecosystems aren’t broken Luke, they just need some attention.
The stuff that everyone was making a fuss about is already fixed anyway.
Agricultural GDP is in positive and it also has a knock on effect re employment and value adding.
I’m sure there would be many bureaucrats whose wages depend on Agriculture who would be horrified that you’re writing it off as ‘bugger all’.
Even if it’s a mere single digit positive it is still a positive and not a ‘drain’ as you implied earlier.
Gavin…of course it’s about a new sort of control….the feds want control of water in the MDB.
They are merely using environmental international treaties as their excuse to do it.
Unfortunately, in the process, they have used the MDB irrigators and supporting communities as ‘cannon fodder’ in a contrived environmental based war.
I’m not a fan of that type of behaviour….I would much prefer them to be honest.
Here you go Luke and Gav,
Latest reported figs.
I’m not sure where in anyone’s language, $405 BILLION is ‘bugger all’?
I might also just add Luke….the bailout that occured in the depth of the drought and for which we were extremely grateful, did not get anywhere close to these figures.
And excuse my blatant use of rhetoric but:
When looking at these published….bureaucratically produced figures….how is it possible for you to claim that agriculture is a tax drain???????
I don’t know about you two, but I suspect that a lot of your PS peers whose income relies on this happening would be absolutely horrified at your dismissive attitude.
As I said before….and you completely totally ignored…..a litle bit of perspective would be very much appreciated.
Why would you find it worrying that I might be representing my community?
Is that some sort of intellectual problem for you? Is that a politically incorrect behaviour in your estimation of the world?
Don’t you represent yours?
Maybe you don’t have a community?