I considered the relation between carbon dioxide (CO2) and the oceans as a surface or interface phenomena. The oceans are remarkably shallow in relation to the lateral extent. Similarly the atmosphere is remarkably thin.
The dominant common physical attribute is the vast surface area. The dominant driving force is the sun.
The oceans breathe carbon dioxide in and out every day. The sun warms the ocean surface and CO2 is released. The oceans cool at night and absorb CO2. It is the same with the seasons and the El Nino/ La Nina events.
Former Dean of Engineering (1976-1988) and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monash University
This note and illustration from Lance Endersbee follow an earlier post entitled ‘Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Levels Follow Sea Surface Temperatures’ and can be read here: http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/002303.html
Louis Hissink says
This fact ties in well with the plasma physics position that climate is also an interpface phenomenon with the addition of electricty as the earth is a small electrically charged sphere immersed in a cell of solar plasma.
In addition given the graphic Lance has showed above, it is abundantly clear that the thermal state of the earth itself dominates anything humnity could arrogate to itself as affecting climate.
Oh sweet fanny adams…
I cant take this any more. Once upon a time this blog was vaguely “scientific” (in a bizarrely twisted opposite-universe sort of a way), but this utter nonsense really is a new low.
Wheres that bookmark list.. oh there it is..
It does Louis? How’s does that flow from Doc’s essay on stating the obvious. Gee I never knew that’s how it all worked. Isn’t nature grand.
Please oh please tell us some more.
I think the interface problem for Louis and Doc is located somewhere between the keyboard and the screen.
Apart from that AB has hit the nail on the head. Anything that contains the word ‘paper’ and denies AGW is going to get a run here. We may get so much paper, eventually we’ll be able to build a giant solar powered fan to cool the earth.
Patrick Batty says
‘It is abundantly clear that the thermal state of the earth itself dominates anything humnity could arrogate to itself as affecting climate.’ – Louis
Yup no doubt about it, Homo sapiens is quite incapable of ever doing anything that could alter the environment in any way… every Aussie knows the hole in the ozone layer was not caused by CFCs, which were definately not a man-made invention (strangely enough by the same individual who didn’t put lead into petrol)… and the deforestation of large areas of Europe and the extinction of the mega-fauna were a greenie plot… Beavers, wolves, bears and elk still roam the ancient forest of Dartmoor in the land of the the Britons; where a squirrel can get from John O’Groats to Lands End without touching the ground…
Hissink when you stare into the abyss, does it wave back?..
Pirate Pete says
You might wonder why it is that the “hole” in the ozone layer is almost on the opposite side of the world from the major CFC emitter.
However, if you plot the location of the centre of the hole, you will find that it is right over the top of Mount Erebus – remember the active Antarctic volcano that that Air New Zealand plane flew into quite a few Christmases ago.
By chance, Mount Erebus emits, naturally, about 7 million tonnes of methane each year. And guess what methane does to the ozone layer?
Nature at work.
Ann Novek says
” … Beavers, wolves, bears and elk still roam the ancient forest of Dartmoor ”
FYI. The elk/ mouse prefers plantations better than ancient forests….
In Sweden there is an outcry right now amomg rural and indigenous Sami people that there are too many wolves, bears, lynx and wolverines in the forests that
1) kills the prey for the small game hunt
2) kills domestic animals
Illegal hunting is HUGE here. It has taken huge proportions and the hate for predators is scary.
The secret police is involved now and tries to stop illegal hunting. People who inform the police must have secret identities and so on…
Lamna nasus says
‘if you plot the location of the centre of the hole, you will find that it is right over the top of Mount Erebus’ – Pirate Pete
Which doesnt explain why there are not ozone holes over every large active volcano…
Homo sapiens at work.
FA’sI. There is no ancient forest on Dartmoor, it was cleared by Homo sapiens in the Mesolithic / Neolithic period.. The beaver, wolf, bear and elk are all extinct in the UK.. and the last time a squirrel could have traversed the country without touching the ground would probably have been in 1421, just after lunch…
Pirate Pete – you’ll find the Artic temperatures are not cold enough which is the reason for little or no hole in the northern hemisphere. . Most volcanoes don’t get emissions into the stratosphere including Erebus. Ever thought why the hole only occurs at certain times of the year? Do volcanoes only work in the Austral spring?