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		<title>Comment on Open Thread by John Sayers</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/2013/05/open-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-525893</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 14:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that link Cohenite - as the professor says, each water table is a case of it&#039;s own, what works in one aquifer won&#039;t necessarily apply to another.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/nsw/2010/10/coal-seam-gas-prof-garry-willgoose.html?site=upperhunter&amp;program=newcastle_afternoons

As he says, CSG has only been around for 15 years so all the companies are feeling their way, especially on environmental issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link Cohenite &#8211; as the professor says, each water table is a case of it&#8217;s own, what works in one aquifer won&#8217;t necessarily apply to another.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.abc.net.au/nsw/2010/10/coal-seam-gas-prof-garry-willgoose.html?site=upperhunter&#038;program=newcastle_afternoons" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.abc.net.au/nsw/2010/10/coal-seam-gas-prof-garry-willgoose.html?site=upperhunter&#038;program=newcastle_afternoons</a></p>
<p>As he says, CSG has only been around for 15 years so all the companies are feeling their way, especially on environmental issues.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Expensive Water Still in Dams: Barnaby Joyce by handjive</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/2013/05/expensive-water-still-in-dams-barnaby-joyce/comment-page-1/#comment-525890</link>
		<dc:creator>handjive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 12:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 2009, The GreenLaboUr  government bought Cubbie Station, &quot;the world&#039;s largest cotton farm&quot; to &quot;stop it sucking tens of millions of litres out of the Murray-Darling Basin.&quot;

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/cubbie-may-face-water-grant-buyout-20090817-enop.html

In January 2013, the sale of our nation&#039;s largest farm to Chinese interests settles. 

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/farm-sale-betrays-poor-judgment-of-lie-of-land-20130124-2d9yc.html

These people are crazy and in charge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2009, The GreenLaboUr  government bought Cubbie Station, &#8220;the world&#8217;s largest cotton farm&#8221; to &#8220;stop it sucking tens of millions of litres out of the Murray-Darling Basin.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/cubbie-may-face-water-grant-buyout-20090817-enop.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/cubbie-may-face-water-grant-buyout-20090817-enop.html</a></p>
<p>In January 2013, the sale of our nation&#8217;s largest farm to Chinese interests settles. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/farm-sale-betrays-poor-judgment-of-lie-of-land-20130124-2d9yc.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/farm-sale-betrays-poor-judgment-of-lie-of-land-20130124-2d9yc.html</a></p>
<p>These people are crazy and in charge.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Thread by Neville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 12:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like even the EU is starting to wake up to the super expensive, unreliable so called renewable energy nonsense.

http://www.thegwpf.org/eu-summit-set-turn-climate-agenda-upside/

But here in OZ we have to wait until sept to boot out  our stupid Labor govt, then hope the  Coalition will cut back even harder on this useless renewable energy cancer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like even the EU is starting to wake up to the super expensive, unreliable so called renewable energy nonsense.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thegwpf.org/eu-summit-set-turn-climate-agenda-upside/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thegwpf.org/eu-summit-set-turn-climate-agenda-upside/</a></p>
<p>But here in OZ we have to wait until sept to boot out  our stupid Labor govt, then hope the  Coalition will cut back even harder on this useless renewable energy cancer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Thread by cohenite</title>
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		<dc:creator>cohenite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 12:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a cautious supporter of CSG; professor Garry Wilgoose has a series of analyses of CSG in Australia; the power-point, which must be downloaded is interesting:

http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;rlz=1T4WQIB_enAU533AU534&amp;q=Professor+wilgoose+coal+seam+gas+in+australia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a cautious supporter of CSG; professor Garry Wilgoose has a series of analyses of CSG in Australia; the power-point, which must be downloaded is interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rlz=1T4WQIB_enAU533AU534&#038;q=Professor+wilgoose+coal+seam+gas+in+australia" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rlz=1T4WQIB_enAU533AU534&#038;q=Professor+wilgoose+coal+seam+gas+in+australia</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Thread by John Sayers</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 11:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry Ianl8888 but all your paper showed was that properly formed, sealed and maintained deep fracked gas wells in areas of the Fayetteville shale development, north-central Arkansas, produce no actually discernable damage to the overlying aquifers or water bores.

Fine.

My concern is wells drilled in &lt;b&gt;Coal Seams&lt;/b&gt; in central southern Queensland. A completely different geology. All evidence so far shows that they leak, there is now methane bubbling up into the condamine river where there wasn&#039;t before. Visitors to the area immediately notice the smell. Children are suffering medical problems never before experienced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry Ianl8888 but all your paper showed was that properly formed, sealed and maintained deep fracked gas wells in areas of the Fayetteville shale development, north-central Arkansas, produce no actually discernable damage to the overlying aquifers or water bores.</p>
<p>Fine.</p>
<p>My concern is wells drilled in <b>Coal Seams</b> in central southern Queensland. A completely different geology. All evidence so far shows that they leak, there is now methane bubbling up into the condamine river where there wasn&#8217;t before. Visitors to the area immediately notice the smell. Children are suffering medical problems never before experienced.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Thread by cohenite</title>
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		<dc:creator>cohenite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 10:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[luke, you&#039;re such a wuss; I bet you&#039;ve never fired a weapon in your life; and a video game doesn&#039;t count.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>luke, you&#8217;re such a wuss; I bet you&#8217;ve never fired a weapon in your life; and a video game doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Thread by spangled drongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>spangled drongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 10:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;damage being done by climate-change policies currently exceeds the damage being done by climate change&quot;

Matt Ridley tells it like it is:

There is little doubt that the damage being done by climate-change policies currently exceeds the damage being done by climate change, and will for several decades yet. Hunger, rainforest destruction, excess cold-weather deaths and reduced economic growth are all exacerbated by the rush to biomass and wind. These dwarf any possible effects of worse weather, for which there is still no actual evidence anyway: recent droughts, floods and storms are within historic variability.

 The harm done by policy falls disproportionately on the poor. Climate worriers claim that at some point this will reverse and the disease will become worse than the cure. An acceleration in temperature rise, they say, is overdue. The snag is, the best science now says otherwise. Whereas the politicians, activists and businessmen who make the most noise about — and money from — this issue are sticking to their guns, key scientists are backing away from predictions of rapid warming.

 Yesterday saw the publication of a paper in a prestigious journal,Nature Geoscience, from a high-profile international team led by Oxford scientists. The contributors include 14 lead authors of the forthcoming Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change scientific report; two are lead authors of the crucial chapter 10: professors Myles Allen and Gabriele Hegerl.

 So this study is about as authoritative as you can get. It uses the most robust method, of analysing the Earth’s heat budget over the past hundred years or so, to estimate a “transient climate response” — the amount of warming that, with rising emissions, the world is likely to experience by the time carbon dioxide levels have doubled since pre-industrial times.

 The most likely estimate is 1.3C. Even if we reach doubled carbon dioxide in just 50 years, we can expect the world to be about two-thirds of a degree warmer than it is now, maybe a bit more if other greenhouse gases increase too. That is to say, up until my teenage children reach retirement age, they will have experienced further warming at about the same rate as I have experienced since I was at school.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article3769210.ece]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;damage being done by climate-change policies currently exceeds the damage being done by climate change&#8221;</p>
<p>Matt Ridley tells it like it is:</p>
<p>There is little doubt that the damage being done by climate-change policies currently exceeds the damage being done by climate change, and will for several decades yet. Hunger, rainforest destruction, excess cold-weather deaths and reduced economic growth are all exacerbated by the rush to biomass and wind. These dwarf any possible effects of worse weather, for which there is still no actual evidence anyway: recent droughts, floods and storms are within historic variability.</p>
<p> The harm done by policy falls disproportionately on the poor. Climate worriers claim that at some point this will reverse and the disease will become worse than the cure. An acceleration in temperature rise, they say, is overdue. The snag is, the best science now says otherwise. Whereas the politicians, activists and businessmen who make the most noise about — and money from — this issue are sticking to their guns, key scientists are backing away from predictions of rapid warming.</p>
<p> Yesterday saw the publication of a paper in a prestigious journal,Nature Geoscience, from a high-profile international team led by Oxford scientists. The contributors include 14 lead authors of the forthcoming Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change scientific report; two are lead authors of the crucial chapter 10: professors Myles Allen and Gabriele Hegerl.</p>
<p> So this study is about as authoritative as you can get. It uses the most robust method, of analysing the Earth’s heat budget over the past hundred years or so, to estimate a “transient climate response” — the amount of warming that, with rising emissions, the world is likely to experience by the time carbon dioxide levels have doubled since pre-industrial times.</p>
<p> The most likely estimate is 1.3C. Even if we reach doubled carbon dioxide in just 50 years, we can expect the world to be about two-thirds of a degree warmer than it is now, maybe a bit more if other greenhouse gases increase too. That is to say, up until my teenage children reach retirement age, they will have experienced further warming at about the same rate as I have experienced since I was at school.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article3769210.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article3769210.ece</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Thread by Luke</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/2013/05/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-525872</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 08:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was something very attractive about a lady firing a Gatling gun. I loved it when she said 

&quot;Smells good - smells like destruction !&quot;....

Wow]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was something very attractive about a lady firing a Gatling gun. I loved it when she said </p>
<p>&#8220;Smells good &#8211; smells like destruction !&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Wow</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Thread by ianl8888</title>
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		<dc:creator>ianl8888</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 07:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Neville

Your quote:

&quot;You’ve answered it for me. If they have the power then warn miners they haven’t got the right to farmer’s land unless the farmer gives the OK. Simple as ABC.&quot;

Wrong again. You never get tired of being wrongo, do you ? Your deliberate density is amusing

Miners can ONLY access land with an Exploration Permit granted by the Minister (or his delegated Deptl Head). Normally, such Permits are NOT given until a &quot;damages&quot; agreement has been concluded with the landholder - by &quot;damages&quot;, it is meant that restoration of tracks, sumps, cuttings etc are agreed upon as well as payment for lack of any land use involved in the duration of the exploration

If the landholder withholds consent to any reasonable agreement offer, the Minister may then make a decision one way or the other. I have been in Supreme Court hearings for appeals from both sides on just such issues. ABC it is NOT

PLEASE pay attention to the FACTS, not what you may wish them to be (there seems to be really no chance of that, does there ?)

And also notice that you have unsuccessfully attempted to move the goal-posts twice now from the paper I linked to your own political opinions. You are entitled to your opinions but not your take about existing law. The linked paper tells you straight up that properly formed, sealed and maintained fracked gas wells do NOT impact with any measurable adversity on overlying potable aquifers. Now that empirical data is ABC]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neville</p>
<p>Your quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;You’ve answered it for me. If they have the power then warn miners they haven’t got the right to farmer’s land unless the farmer gives the OK. Simple as ABC.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong again. You never get tired of being wrongo, do you ? Your deliberate density is amusing</p>
<p>Miners can ONLY access land with an Exploration Permit granted by the Minister (or his delegated Deptl Head). Normally, such Permits are NOT given until a &#8220;damages&#8221; agreement has been concluded with the landholder &#8211; by &#8220;damages&#8221;, it is meant that restoration of tracks, sumps, cuttings etc are agreed upon as well as payment for lack of any land use involved in the duration of the exploration</p>
<p>If the landholder withholds consent to any reasonable agreement offer, the Minister may then make a decision one way or the other. I have been in Supreme Court hearings for appeals from both sides on just such issues. ABC it is NOT</p>
<p>PLEASE pay attention to the FACTS, not what you may wish them to be (there seems to be really no chance of that, does there ?)</p>
<p>And also notice that you have unsuccessfully attempted to move the goal-posts twice now from the paper I linked to your own political opinions. You are entitled to your opinions but not your take about existing law. The linked paper tells you straight up that properly formed, sealed and maintained fracked gas wells do NOT impact with any measurable adversity on overlying potable aquifers. Now that empirical data is ABC</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Thread by spangled drongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>spangled drongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 06:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Cohenite for sceptics I acquired one of these.&quot;

You need all the help you can get Luke.

We used to do this with a Vickers MG on 12 inch ironbark but we didn&#039;t need 3,000 rounds to do it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC8jnSaCqxY]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cohenite for sceptics I acquired one of these.&#8221;</p>
<p>You need all the help you can get Luke.</p>
<p>We used to do this with a Vickers MG on 12 inch ironbark but we didn&#8217;t need 3,000 rounds to do it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC8jnSaCqxY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC8jnSaCqxY</a></p>
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