Comments on: Latest Global Average Tropospheric Temperatures

By: kasphar

kasphar — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:23:26 +0000

Maybe Penny W got the idea from that wonderful series on Youtube called ‘Climate Denial Crock of the Week’.

Check out ‘Party like it’s 1998′ which says that the story of global warming is really the story of ocean warming (or some such crock).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15UGhhRd6M

But the good Prof Barry Brook endorses this series so it must be right.

By: Ian Mott

Ian Mott — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:16:45 +0000

Neat sidestep Luke. Wong says the atmosphere doesn’t count so best tell that to the climate muddlers who obviously think it does. Indeed, the whole theory of CO2 forcing is based on the impact of CO2 in the atmoshpere, isn’t it?

Now if Wong is not wrong, and it is all about the oceans, then we would need to start looking at what changes oceanic albedo in a way that increases retained insolation and raises surface temperatures. Gosh, boy wonder, do you think variations in cloud cover could be raising ocean temperatures independently of all those minor agents like CO2 and methane?

Smells an awful lot like the ground work for a climate bail out to me.

Re: CO2ppm, Gordon.

I agree, CO2 is sweet FA. I only mentioned the volume to remind the climate cretins how much it has increased for no result.

By: Graeme Bird

Graeme Bird — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:32:00 +0000

Well the department of Luke is just full of morons isn’t it? Yes it is. Imagine falling for this embarrassing and transparent science fraud. What a stupid stupid department. Should be axed, the building torn down and removed, and salt poured on the ground.

By: Luke

Luke — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:06:50 +0000

Birdy – I would give Louis more credibility than yourself. The ultimate level of denial is thinking one might attract a fair share of results in a national poll. I rest my case as to the demonstrated result of a test of your powers of judgement.

By: Louis Hissink

Louis Hissink — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:50:06 +0000

SJT – we are well on the way of doubling CO2 in the atmosphere? Given that the human contribution of total CO2 is about 3%, that’s an interesting extrapolation. Must be something to do with the Enid Blyton science the IPCC reports are based on.

By: Graeme Bird

Graeme Bird — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:43:48 +0000

No no Luke. There is no use lying about it. All alarmist models have been taken totally by surprise. Lying doesn’t count department of Luke. No model using CO2 as a driving force can work but if it did its nickname would by now be a household word.

By: SJT

SJT — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:53:50 +0000

“Roy Spencer’s analogy is even better. 380 ppmv means 380 molecules of CO2 per 1 million molecules of air, or 38 molecules of CO2 per 100,000 molecules of air. Since CO2 accumulates at 0.6% per year, that is 0.006 x 38 molecules = 0.228 molecules of CO2 per year. To get an even molecule, we multiply by 5 years, to get about 1 molecule added by humans to 100,000 molecules of air every five years. Many AGWers don’t get it that 98.5% of ALL CO2 is reabsorbed by the oceans and land.”

You sound like the overweight person justifying their meal to themselves. The simple fact is we are well on the way to doubling the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.

By: Luke

Luke — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:49:15 +0000

“No thats not right Luke. The models were taken totally by surprise as usual.” – gee Birdy – how long have you been a pig ignorant now. Dazzling rebuttal mate.

Gordon’s back to the teesnsy weensy ruse. Give it away you clown. Hey Gordon do you know hey there are earthquakes.

Mate – Spencer defends the greenhouse effect exists – you dispute its existence – so boofhead – do you agree with Spencer or not? As usual – denialist scum have more positions than the Karma Sutra.

Spencer urinates all over your stupid 2nd Law of Thermodynamics ruse.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/04/in-defense-of-the-greenhouse-effect/

By: Gordon Robertson

Gordon Robertson — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:26:12 +0000

Ian Mott “Thats 268 gigatonnes of CO2 all dressed up with nowhere to go”.

In an atmosphere with a mass of nearly 5 quadrillion metric tonnes, what’s a gigatonne here or there? A quadrillion is 1000 million million, or 5,000,000,000,000,000 (5e+15). A giga is 1,000,000,000 (1e+9).

ALL CO2 makes up 0.04% of the atmosphere and ACO2 0.04% of ALL CO2, making it 0.0016% of the atmosphere. Some people are impressed by gigatonnes, not having a clue just how incredibly large is the mass of the universe.

Even taking your figures, 268,000,000,000/5,000,000,000,000,000 = 0.0000536 x 100 = 0.0056%. Even though 268 gigatonnes of CO2 sounds like a whole lot, it’s only 0.0056% of the atmosphere. In words, that’s 5.36 one-thousands of 1 percent.

Roy Spencer’s analogy is even better. 380 ppmv means 380 molecules of CO2 per 1 million molecules of air, or 38 molecules of CO2 per 100,000 molecules of air. Since CO2 accumulates at 0.6% per year, that is 0.006 x 38 molecules = 0.228 molecules of CO2 per year. To get an even molecule, we multiply by 5 years, to get about 1 molecule added by humans to 100,000 molecules of air every five years. Many AGWers don’t get it that 98.5% of ALL CO2 is reabsorbed by the oceans and land.

Some blanket that is for trapping IR.

By: Graeme Bird

Graeme Bird — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:56:23 +0000

No thats not right Luke. The models were taken totally by surprise as usual.