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		<title>By: Climate Change Ignorance from the Alaska Dispatch &#124; Cynics Global Warming</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/sea-ice-extent-now-normal-in-arctic/comment-page-1/#comment-161131</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Change Ignorance from the Alaska Dispatch &#124; Cynics Global Warming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] believe global warming is real AND that the Arctic is changing quickly for the worse.  Actually, Arctic sea ice seems to be just fine.  Mr. Woodham, please take the time to research your articles before just reciting lines from your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] believe global warming is real AND that the Arctic is changing quickly for the worse.  Actually, Arctic sea ice seems to be just fine.  Mr. Woodham, please take the time to research your articles before just reciting lines from your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/sea-ice-extent-now-normal-in-arctic/comment-page-1/#comment-121181</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: I meant: (sea) ice EXTENSION in the Antarctic. But the MASS in the central Antarctic regions is also steadily growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: I meant: (sea) ice EXTENSION in the Antarctic. But the MASS in the central Antarctic regions is also steadily growing.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/sea-ice-extent-now-normal-in-arctic/comment-page-1/#comment-121178</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon me?  Ice mass in the Antarctic reached a new height just last year, it went just through the roof (source: Cryosphere Today)! No fast melting whatsoever continent-wide. In the Arctic no ice-free passages in sight. Sorry for the freight-business. Hudson Bay still partly frozen in mid-july 2009. No reason to panic whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon me?  Ice mass in the Antarctic reached a new height just last year, it went just through the roof (source: Cryosphere Today)! No fast melting whatsoever continent-wide. In the Arctic no ice-free passages in sight. Sorry for the freight-business. Hudson Bay still partly frozen in mid-july 2009. No reason to panic whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G. Gallagher Jr.</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/sea-ice-extent-now-normal-in-arctic/comment-page-1/#comment-120722</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph G. Gallagher Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Japanese &quot;Ibuki&quot; satellite will start sending 
information on the density of CO2 and methane 
gas from the entire surface of the earth in 2010. 
Nearly 56,000 data points, daily. If it turns out 
that CO2 and/or methane concentrations are not 
high above 75 deg north Latitude, then science 
and dense data coverage instead of simulations
will have to prevail again and a cause for the 
warming in the Arctic Ocean will have to be 
further investigated. 

A good place to start would 
be changes in the current directions in the Arctic 
Ocean or changes in the depth circulation of 
fresh and denser salt water with the seasons. 
Another influence to consider is the drift of 
almost 1500 km in the North Magnetic Pole that 
has occurred since 1969 when a &quot;Jerk&quot; was 
recorder that increased the rate of migration in 
the NMP. Today, the North Magnetic Pole is 
almost located near 86 degree North Latitude, 
125 degree West Longitude, within the Arctic 
Sea. In 1970, the Latitude and Longitude were 
approximately 75.5 deg North and 101 deg 
West, respectively. Has this migration of the 
North Magnetic Pole had an induced EMF effect on the 
circulation currents in the Arctic Ocean which in 
turn has increased the temperature of the Arctic 
Ocean affecting the melting and generation of 
thinner pack ice in the 1990&#039;s and early 2000&#039;s 
time frame, thus contributing to a warming of the 
Arctic Sea? It is noted here that pack ice froze 
over earlier in 2008 than in 2007, almost being 
completely frozen over by the end of October 
2008 except near the entrance to the Bering 
Straits. This year, it will be interesting to see 
how much melting occurs by mid September in 
the Arctic Sea and how fast is freezes over 
again.

What ever the reason for the advanced melting and
thinning of the Arctic sea ice, the &quot;Ibuki&quot; satellite will
tell the facts on CO2 and methane concentrations
world wide when it starts transmitting its data in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Japanese &#8220;Ibuki&#8221; satellite will start sending<br />
information on the density of CO2 and methane<br />
gas from the entire surface of the earth in 2010.<br />
Nearly 56,000 data points, daily. If it turns out<br />
that CO2 and/or methane concentrations are not<br />
high above 75 deg north Latitude, then science<br />
and dense data coverage instead of simulations<br />
will have to prevail again and a cause for the<br />
warming in the Arctic Ocean will have to be<br />
further investigated. </p>
<p>A good place to start would<br />
be changes in the current directions in the Arctic<br />
Ocean or changes in the depth circulation of<br />
fresh and denser salt water with the seasons.<br />
Another influence to consider is the drift of<br />
almost 1500 km in the North Magnetic Pole that<br />
has occurred since 1969 when a &#8220;Jerk&#8221; was<br />
recorder that increased the rate of migration in<br />
the NMP. Today, the North Magnetic Pole is<br />
almost located near 86 degree North Latitude,<br />
125 degree West Longitude, within the Arctic<br />
Sea. In 1970, the Latitude and Longitude were<br />
approximately 75.5 deg North and 101 deg<br />
West, respectively. Has this migration of the<br />
North Magnetic Pole had an induced EMF effect on the<br />
circulation currents in the Arctic Ocean which in<br />
turn has increased the temperature of the Arctic<br />
Ocean affecting the melting and generation of<br />
thinner pack ice in the 1990&#8217;s and early 2000&#8217;s<br />
time frame, thus contributing to a warming of the<br />
Arctic Sea? It is noted here that pack ice froze<br />
over earlier in 2008 than in 2007, almost being<br />
completely frozen over by the end of October<br />
2008 except near the entrance to the Bering<br />
Straits. This year, it will be interesting to see<br />
how much melting occurs by mid September in<br />
the Arctic Sea and how fast is freezes over<br />
again.</p>
<p>What ever the reason for the advanced melting and<br />
thinning of the Arctic sea ice, the &#8220;Ibuki&#8221; satellite will<br />
tell the facts on CO2 and methane concentrations<br />
world wide when it starts transmitting its data in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: ScienceBlogs Channel : Physical Science &#124; BlogCABLE.COM</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/sea-ice-extent-now-normal-in-arctic/comment-page-1/#comment-115668</link>
		<dc:creator>ScienceBlogs Channel : Physical Science &#124; BlogCABLE.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] back in May and early June when the denialists were gleefully proclaiming arctic sea ice had recovered to the 1979-2000 average, and by induction global warming must be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] back in May and early June when the denialists were gleefully proclaiming arctic sea ice had recovered to the 1979-2000 average, and by induction global warming must be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arctic sea ice melting fast, near all time low for June &#187; Mind of Dan</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/sea-ice-extent-now-normal-in-arctic/comment-page-1/#comment-115667</link>
		<dc:creator>Arctic sea ice melting fast, near all time low for June &#187; Mind of Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all of this, we should expect the deniers who were previously claiming that the sea ice had recovered (and by extinction that global warming was bunk) to issue corrections indicating that, in fact, the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] all of this, we should expect the deniers who were previously claiming that the sea ice had recovered (and by extinction that global warming was bunk) to issue corrections indicating that, in fact, the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Magnus A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnus A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drongo: &quot;Is that right?&quot;

You&#039;re doubt is right. That isn&#039;t right. Obviously a climate church believer. (I&#039;ve heard that name before.) Anyway Flanagan about 2007 also says: &quot;THE record year&quot;, but in June 2007 the data was above the lowest year (JAXA).

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent.png

It&#039;s btw funny that the climate church (or is &quot;warming church&quot; a better name?) and its believers puts so much effort in the Arctic ice (and the Antarctica just happen to be of no interrest, except a small little part of it). They don&#039;t bother about science. All glaciologists who says this this is all about patterns in weather and sea currents and has nothing to do with radiation from the sky they don&#039;t even comment. I guess they do what they have to do.  Their message is that science is settled, and there&#039;s &quot;consensus&quot; of invented catastrophes. This is apologetic business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drongo: &#8220;Is that right?&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re doubt is right. That isn&#8217;t right. Obviously a climate church believer. (I&#8217;ve heard that name before.) Anyway Flanagan about 2007 also says: &#8220;THE record year&#8221;, but in June 2007 the data was above the lowest year (JAXA).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent.png</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s btw funny that the climate church (or is &#8220;warming church&#8221; a better name?) and its believers puts so much effort in the Arctic ice (and the Antarctica just happen to be of no interrest, except a small little part of it). They don&#8217;t bother about science. All glaciologists who says this this is all about patterns in weather and sea currents and has nothing to do with radiation from the sky they don&#8217;t even comment. I guess they do what they have to do.  Their message is that science is settled, and there&#8217;s &#8220;consensus&#8221; of invented catastrophes. This is apologetic business.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mott</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/sea-ice-extent-now-normal-in-arctic/comment-page-1/#comment-112717</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Kohl. 

The essence of climate cretinism is that CO2 is driving a physical/chemical reaction that is warming the planet. But one must ask, how can this reaction be present when it has clearly gone AWOL for a number of decades, ie from 1940 to 1976 and again from 1998 to present?

And if it is present then why isn&#039;t the IPCC investigating what it was that turned it on and off in the past. Why would a sane body of people bother to tinker with the elements of this reaction when it is clear that the entire reaction can be turned off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Kohl. </p>
<p>The essence of climate cretinism is that CO2 is driving a physical/chemical reaction that is warming the planet. But one must ask, how can this reaction be present when it has clearly gone AWOL for a number of decades, ie from 1940 to 1976 and again from 1998 to present?</p>
<p>And if it is present then why isn&#8217;t the IPCC investigating what it was that turned it on and off in the past. Why would a sane body of people bother to tinker with the elements of this reaction when it is clear that the entire reaction can be turned off?</p>
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		<title>By: Kohl Piersen</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/sea-ice-extent-now-normal-in-arctic/comment-page-1/#comment-112682</link>
		<dc:creator>Kohl Piersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Contrary to the claim made in the article, the graph shows very clearly that present extent is below the &#039;normal&#039; as defined.
2. So what?

I am unimpressed with arguments about the exact extent of Arctic sea ice. Whether it is going up or down says practically nothing about global warming and CO2.

Ice extent has always fluctuated. The evidence is extensive, independent of any AGW debate and absolutely unambiguous and human beings had nothing to do with it - that is a matter of fact.

Before advancing explanations for a postulated problem with global climate, commonly referred to these days as AGW, evidence is required that shows that there is something different about the present climate which invites investigation and explanation.

The climate has become hotter (and colder) at a greater rate than it is now changing. Ocean levels have been much higher (and lower) and have changed at greater rates than they now are. Through all of this, CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere have been much higher (but not much lower) than they now are. All of this happened without the assistance or otherwise of human beings.

No evidence is adduced that shows anything happening with global climate that is outside the known range of climate change. Without evidence of a problem, proposed solutions are fatuous - non-solutions to a non-problem - as someone once said. 

In the end, credulity and ignorance married to a penchant for belief in catastrophism, rumour and conspiracy theory, are no substitute for cold hard facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Contrary to the claim made in the article, the graph shows very clearly that present extent is below the &#8216;normal&#8217; as defined.<br />
2. So what?</p>
<p>I am unimpressed with arguments about the exact extent of Arctic sea ice. Whether it is going up or down says practically nothing about global warming and CO2.</p>
<p>Ice extent has always fluctuated. The evidence is extensive, independent of any AGW debate and absolutely unambiguous and human beings had nothing to do with it &#8211; that is a matter of fact.</p>
<p>Before advancing explanations for a postulated problem with global climate, commonly referred to these days as AGW, evidence is required that shows that there is something different about the present climate which invites investigation and explanation.</p>
<p>The climate has become hotter (and colder) at a greater rate than it is now changing. Ocean levels have been much higher (and lower) and have changed at greater rates than they now are. Through all of this, CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere have been much higher (but not much lower) than they now are. All of this happened without the assistance or otherwise of human beings.</p>
<p>No evidence is adduced that shows anything happening with global climate that is outside the known range of climate change. Without evidence of a problem, proposed solutions are fatuous &#8211; non-solutions to a non-problem &#8211; as someone once said. </p>
<p>In the end, credulity and ignorance married to a penchant for belief in catastrophism, rumour and conspiracy theory, are no substitute for cold hard facts.</p>
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		<title>By: spangled drongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>spangled drongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, following NSIDC and JAXA, the extent is now below that of 2007 (THE record year).&quot;

Is that right?

http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_ext.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, following NSIDC and JAXA, the extent is now below that of 2007 (THE record year).&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that right?</p>
<p><a href="http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_ext.png" rel="nofollow">http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_ext.png</a></p>
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