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		<title>By: Jennifer Marohasy &#187; Defining the Scientific Sceptics (Part 7)</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/comment-page-1/#comment-120496</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Marohasy &#187; Defining the Scientific Sceptics (Part 7)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6 is a long comment by Raymond Harvey in the thread following part 5 of this series: http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/  [And the thread is well worth [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 6 is a long comment by Raymond Harvey in the thread following part 5 of this series: <a href="http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/" rel="nofollow">http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/</a>  [And the thread is well worth [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SJT</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/comment-page-1/#comment-120421</link>
		<dc:creator>SJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By definition a group delusion is a consensus, a case of groupthink. Rather than being essential, it is, I think, accidental but not surprising that the groupthink favours a collectivist mindset.&quot;

It&#039;s not a leftist, lunatic conspiracy theory, but it is.  You can&#039;t have it both ways.

Science works by building up evidence for theories, when the evidence is good, the theory is accepted.  Works for all other areas of science, why not AGW?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By definition a group delusion is a consensus, a case of groupthink. Rather than being essential, it is, I think, accidental but not surprising that the groupthink favours a collectivist mindset.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a leftist, lunatic conspiracy theory, but it is.  You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
<p>Science works by building up evidence for theories, when the evidence is good, the theory is accepted.  Works for all other areas of science, why not AGW?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Game</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/comment-page-1/#comment-120356</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Louis Hissink,

By definition a group delusion is a consensus, a case of groupthink. Rather than being essential, it is, I think, accidental but not surprising that the groupthink favours a collectivist mindset.

The way things are threatening at the moment, they seem set to do terrible damage to all.

Yours sincerely,

Christopher Game</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Louis Hissink,</p>
<p>By definition a group delusion is a consensus, a case of groupthink. Rather than being essential, it is, I think, accidental but not surprising that the groupthink favours a collectivist mindset.</p>
<p>The way things are threatening at the moment, they seem set to do terrible damage to all.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely,</p>
<p>Christopher Game</p>
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		<title>By: SJT</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/comment-page-1/#comment-120296</link>
		<dc:creator>SJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh and SJT, arrant nonsense? You surely are relying on authority, no? Certainly not from personal competence in the fields you airily dismiss.&quot;

I have the best authority.  Whatever you think, it must be the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh and SJT, arrant nonsense? You surely are relying on authority, no? Certainly not from personal competence in the fields you airily dismiss.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have the best authority.  Whatever you think, it must be the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/comment-page-1/#comment-119920</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher Game

Group delusion it surely is, but based on consensus as well - notice that the whole intellectual edifice of AGW is, writing metaphorically, 1% of physical fact and 99% of computerised modelling, a digital version of group think compressed into a small package.  It is inseperable from the collectivist mindset that seems locked into an imaginative or virtual world that keeps being knocked off balance by physical reality.

It&#039;s the collateral damage this lot inflict on the rest of us that is of concern, a sort of Uber &quot;unintended&quot; consequences  from ill-thought policy based on emotions and not empirical facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher Game</p>
<p>Group delusion it surely is, but based on consensus as well &#8211; notice that the whole intellectual edifice of AGW is, writing metaphorically, 1% of physical fact and 99% of computerised modelling, a digital version of group think compressed into a small package.  It is inseperable from the collectivist mindset that seems locked into an imaginative or virtual world that keeps being knocked off balance by physical reality.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the collateral damage this lot inflict on the rest of us that is of concern, a sort of Uber &#8220;unintended&#8221; consequences  from ill-thought policy based on emotions and not empirical facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/comment-page-1/#comment-119917</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowledge actually is memory - for without it, there wouldn&#039;t be any.

The Ryan back page column in Quadrant touched on this very topic some time ago, but alas, I cannot remember quickly, which issue.

And absolute certainty is simply an ossified thinking pattern.

Oh and SJT, arrant nonsense? You surely are relying on authority, no? Certainly not from personal competence in the fields you airily dismiss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowledge actually is memory &#8211; for without it, there wouldn&#8217;t be any.</p>
<p>The Ryan back page column in Quadrant touched on this very topic some time ago, but alas, I cannot remember quickly, which issue.</p>
<p>And absolute certainty is simply an ossified thinking pattern.</p>
<p>Oh and SJT, arrant nonsense? You surely are relying on authority, no? Certainly not from personal competence in the fields you airily dismiss.</p>
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		<title>By: cohenite</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/comment-page-1/#comment-119567</link>
		<dc:creator>cohenite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Christopher, and belief is a very hard human attribute to counter; especially when it has a veneer of scientific legitimacy.

SJT; fair enough, although technically the WHO is now independent of the UN; but in any event it just goes to show that nothing is completely bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Christopher, and belief is a very hard human attribute to counter; especially when it has a veneer of scientific legitimacy.</p>
<p>SJT; fair enough, although technically the WHO is now independent of the UN; but in any event it just goes to show that nothing is completely bad.</p>
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		<title>By: SJT</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/comment-page-1/#comment-119564</link>
		<dc:creator>SJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dear Cohenite,

You write: “can only be put down to one of the wonders of the delusional capacities of the human mind”

I agree with you. AGW is best not considered as a conspiracy: that would give it too much credit by making it seem partly somehow rational even if misconceived. It is, I think, as you say, a group delusion. I think they are mostly insightless and really, in some sense, believe in it.&quot;

My irony meter just blew up.  Stop thinking that arrant nonsense such as G&amp;T and Miskoclzi make any sense, and we might be able to start having a sensible discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dear Cohenite,</p>
<p>You write: “can only be put down to one of the wonders of the delusional capacities of the human mind”</p>
<p>I agree with you. AGW is best not considered as a conspiracy: that would give it too much credit by making it seem partly somehow rational even if misconceived. It is, I think, as you say, a group delusion. I think they are mostly insightless and really, in some sense, believe in it.&#8221;</p>
<p>My irony meter just blew up.  Stop thinking that arrant nonsense such as G&amp;T and Miskoclzi make any sense, and we might be able to start having a sensible discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Game</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/comment-page-1/#comment-119503</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Cohenite,

You write: &quot;can only be put down to one of the wonders of the delusional capacities of the human mind&quot;

I agree with you. AGW is best not considered as a conspiracy: that would give it too much credit by making it seem partly somehow rational even if misconceived. It is, I think, as you say, a group delusion. I think they are mostly insightless and really, in some sense, believe in it.

Yours sincerely,

Christopher Game</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Cohenite,</p>
<p>You write: &#8220;can only be put down to one of the wonders of the delusional capacities of the human mind&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with you. AGW is best not considered as a conspiracy: that would give it too much credit by making it seem partly somehow rational even if misconceived. It is, I think, as you say, a group delusion. I think they are mostly insightless and really, in some sense, believe in it.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely,</p>
<p>Christopher Game</p>
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		<title>By: SJT</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/defining-the-sceptics-part-5/comment-page-1/#comment-119470</link>
		<dc:creator>SJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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