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		<title>By: Ian Mott</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/costing-a-whale/comment-page-1/#comment-120527</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything to avoid the implications of the long established concept of opportunity cost.  The whale wallies are demanding exclusive use of someone else&#039;s whales but are unwilling to pay any rent, let alone a fair rent, for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything to avoid the implications of the long established concept of opportunity cost.  The whale wallies are demanding exclusive use of someone else&#8217;s whales but are unwilling to pay any rent, let alone a fair rent, for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/costing-a-whale/comment-page-1/#comment-120440</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooo-aaahh! Nasty little man! Really Ian, are you still bleating on? The only Busta Bloodvessel here is you. My spleen plays little part in my laughing my butt of at you. You&#039;ve just gone off again on another rant, having a conversation with yourself about what may have got up my nose, may have wound me up, may have sent me ballistic, may have sent me into  low earth orbit. You can&#039;t stop yourself from making shit up - you&#039;re still doing it and convincing yourself of it. And you are still wildly flailing your soggy envelope in the air, begging for someone to take your calculations seriously. Aww, poor Ian.

Whoever I really am? I don&#039;t need to make shit up like you. You really do suffer from a few mental conditions don&#039;t you? I&#039;d say you may have a dose of syphillis yourself old man. Would account for a number of things and no doubt the wife would agree. I certainly don&#039;t speak for others Ian. There are no others here. They&#039;ve all gone and left you. Hee hee hee! Maybe you should crank up your fan club again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooo-aaahh! Nasty little man! Really Ian, are you still bleating on? The only Busta Bloodvessel here is you. My spleen plays little part in my laughing my butt of at you. You&#8217;ve just gone off again on another rant, having a conversation with yourself about what may have got up my nose, may have wound me up, may have sent me ballistic, may have sent me into  low earth orbit. You can&#8217;t stop yourself from making shit up &#8211; you&#8217;re still doing it and convincing yourself of it. And you are still wildly flailing your soggy envelope in the air, begging for someone to take your calculations seriously. Aww, poor Ian.</p>
<p>Whoever I really am? I don&#8217;t need to make shit up like you. You really do suffer from a few mental conditions don&#8217;t you? I&#8217;d say you may have a dose of syphillis yourself old man. Would account for a number of things and no doubt the wife would agree. I certainly don&#8217;t speak for others Ian. There are no others here. They&#8217;ve all gone and left you. Hee hee hee! Maybe you should crank up your fan club again?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mott</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/costing-a-whale/comment-page-1/#comment-120411</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And right on cue, Rob dishes up another spleen vent. Zero substance from a dude who claims to speak on behalf of all the other posters and finishes off with accusations of domestic abuse, incest and any other demonisation tool to hand.

And what, exactly are the numbers that get so far up his nose?

Well, 2060 yen = AU$27/kg of whale meat seems to have got him started.
And 7 tonnes of Minke whale = 3.7 tonnes of whale meat seemed to work him up a bit.
And then multiplying 3,700kg by $27/kg to = $99,900 per minke whale wound him up more.

But what sent him ballistic was the suggestion that if the whale watching industry claims to need every single one of a million untouched minke whales to guarantee the viability of their humpback watching industry then they might like pay a reasonable 5% annual rental on that $100 billion resource. 

And what sent him into low earth orbit was the suggestion that as the whale watching industry also wanted exclusive use of every other whale species then they might like to pay a reasonable 5% annual rental on a second $100 billion resource.

You see folks, the implication that this so-called $3 billion whale watching industry was demanding more than $10 billion a year in free and exclusive access to a resource that belongs to everyone, including the Japanese, Norwegians, Icelanders, Greenlanders, Innuit and many others, is the kind of number that whale wallies really do not like to see. So they go out of their way to cover it in bile and spittle, as can be seen above.

So please tell us, whoever you really are, Rob, did you also happen to have a syphilitic grandfather like Travis?  Are you one of the folks who put the &quot;pimp&quot; in Greenpimp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And right on cue, Rob dishes up another spleen vent. Zero substance from a dude who claims to speak on behalf of all the other posters and finishes off with accusations of domestic abuse, incest and any other demonisation tool to hand.</p>
<p>And what, exactly are the numbers that get so far up his nose?</p>
<p>Well, 2060 yen = AU$27/kg of whale meat seems to have got him started.<br />
And 7 tonnes of Minke whale = 3.7 tonnes of whale meat seemed to work him up a bit.<br />
And then multiplying 3,700kg by $27/kg to = $99,900 per minke whale wound him up more.</p>
<p>But what sent him ballistic was the suggestion that if the whale watching industry claims to need every single one of a million untouched minke whales to guarantee the viability of their humpback watching industry then they might like pay a reasonable 5% annual rental on that $100 billion resource. </p>
<p>And what sent him into low earth orbit was the suggestion that as the whale watching industry also wanted exclusive use of every other whale species then they might like to pay a reasonable 5% annual rental on a second $100 billion resource.</p>
<p>You see folks, the implication that this so-called $3 billion whale watching industry was demanding more than $10 billion a year in free and exclusive access to a resource that belongs to everyone, including the Japanese, Norwegians, Icelanders, Greenlanders, Innuit and many others, is the kind of number that whale wallies really do not like to see. So they go out of their way to cover it in bile and spittle, as can be seen above.</p>
<p>So please tell us, whoever you really are, Rob, did you also happen to have a syphilitic grandfather like Travis?  Are you one of the folks who put the &#8220;pimp&#8221; in Greenpimp?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/costing-a-whale/comment-page-1/#comment-120382</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! Posts becoming more vicious an dspiteful? Yes, Ian, like your little tantrum you just posted! I write with humour Ian. Can&#039;t help it when dealing with you. Why am I here? I get a kick out of it. You make me laugh. I certainly dodn&#039;t need to go to any lengths to defame you. You do that all by yourself with your moronic rantings. You have only yourself to blame dear Ian.

As for your BOTE numbers, who can be bothered? Honestly? You resort to simplictic &quot;calculations&quot; all the time. You&#039;ve never even seen a whale. Numerous folk here have questioned you on your magical numbers and a multitude of other issues and you have skirted around them like one of the ruddy-faced elephants in Fantasia! Your numbers and Wiki facts and biased opinion pieces provide nothing more than entertainment. When you treat readers with respect, regardless of their views and responses to what our post, then maybe some sort of debate will occur, but you just can&#039;t do it, so no one takes you seriously (that and the fact you make shit up). Conclude all you want Ian. That is what you do best. It leads to making shit up and then being an obnoxious dickhead having a dummy spit. I hope you can see just how funny it is.

If the readers are not simpletons Ian, why do you insist on continually treating them thus? It is because you have zip respect for people, especially those with differing opinions to yours. It is because you can&#039;t stand being told you are wrong and can&#039;t take back chat. As for mental conditions, I believe you have been told on numerous occasions on this blog that you have a number of them.  Aww, poor Ian. Go bash your wife, rape your daughter, have a wank, take your pills and then pick up those razor blades. You can blame it on the killer whales! Gotta have someone to blame eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! Posts becoming more vicious an dspiteful? Yes, Ian, like your little tantrum you just posted! I write with humour Ian. Can&#8217;t help it when dealing with you. Why am I here? I get a kick out of it. You make me laugh. I certainly dodn&#8217;t need to go to any lengths to defame you. You do that all by yourself with your moronic rantings. You have only yourself to blame dear Ian.</p>
<p>As for your BOTE numbers, who can be bothered? Honestly? You resort to simplictic &#8220;calculations&#8221; all the time. You&#8217;ve never even seen a whale. Numerous folk here have questioned you on your magical numbers and a multitude of other issues and you have skirted around them like one of the ruddy-faced elephants in Fantasia! Your numbers and Wiki facts and biased opinion pieces provide nothing more than entertainment. When you treat readers with respect, regardless of their views and responses to what our post, then maybe some sort of debate will occur, but you just can&#8217;t do it, so no one takes you seriously (that and the fact you make shit up). Conclude all you want Ian. That is what you do best. It leads to making shit up and then being an obnoxious dickhead having a dummy spit. I hope you can see just how funny it is.</p>
<p>If the readers are not simpletons Ian, why do you insist on continually treating them thus? It is because you have zip respect for people, especially those with differing opinions to yours. It is because you can&#8217;t stand being told you are wrong and can&#8217;t take back chat. As for mental conditions, I believe you have been told on numerous occasions on this blog that you have a number of them.  Aww, poor Ian. Go bash your wife, rape your daughter, have a wank, take your pills and then pick up those razor blades. You can blame it on the killer whales! Gotta have someone to blame eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mott</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/costing-a-whale/comment-page-1/#comment-120310</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If no-one really cares, Rob, why have you gone to such lengths to defame me? Indeed, why are you here at all?

And if my numbers are &quot;silly&quot; then a clever person like you should be able to find errors in them. But the record shows that you have not addressed any of the issues raised nor any of the costings. And one can only conclude from this conspicuous omission of yours that,
a. you lack the intellectual traction to deal with the issue, and or
b. you understand the importance of proper valuation of natural resources but have gone out of your way to avoid discussion of the implications.

Our readers are not simpletons, Rob, they understand that the more merit my arguments have the more vicious and spiteful your responses will become. But thats OK, I understand how emotional plodders can latch on to an animal like whales and deify them beyond any link with reality. I am sure that it is a mental condition that can be treated but with someone like you, why bother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If no-one really cares, Rob, why have you gone to such lengths to defame me? Indeed, why are you here at all?</p>
<p>And if my numbers are &#8220;silly&#8221; then a clever person like you should be able to find errors in them. But the record shows that you have not addressed any of the issues raised nor any of the costings. And one can only conclude from this conspicuous omission of yours that,<br />
a. you lack the intellectual traction to deal with the issue, and or<br />
b. you understand the importance of proper valuation of natural resources but have gone out of your way to avoid discussion of the implications.</p>
<p>Our readers are not simpletons, Rob, they understand that the more merit my arguments have the more vicious and spiteful your responses will become. But thats OK, I understand how emotional plodders can latch on to an animal like whales and deify them beyond any link with reality. I am sure that it is a mental condition that can be treated but with someone like you, why bother?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/costing-a-whale/comment-page-1/#comment-120007</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janama, I am fully aware of the association between whalers and killer whales at Eden, having spoken on many occassions to the last remaining whaler who died recently. What whales eating other whales has to do with humans eating whales has always baffled me, but those wantng to grasp at straws will find anything to hold up to support their dopey ideas. I only wish they would keep them to themselves and spare the rest of us.

It is always a source of amusement that Ian accuses others of his own faults and bad behaviour. Now anyone who questions or opposes his ranting is a rentacrowd, but of course only after his own fan club has been noted. Give it a break Ian. No one cares about your silly fantasies or simplistic calculations, let alone youu inability to ever rely on facts. Don&#039;t you ever get tired of repeating the same shit over and over agan? It is funny for while, but the joke has run thin. No one cares Ian. Get out the razor blades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janama, I am fully aware of the association between whalers and killer whales at Eden, having spoken on many occassions to the last remaining whaler who died recently. What whales eating other whales has to do with humans eating whales has always baffled me, but those wantng to grasp at straws will find anything to hold up to support their dopey ideas. I only wish they would keep them to themselves and spare the rest of us.</p>
<p>It is always a source of amusement that Ian accuses others of his own faults and bad behaviour. Now anyone who questions or opposes his ranting is a rentacrowd, but of course only after his own fan club has been noted. Give it a break Ian. No one cares about your silly fantasies or simplistic calculations, let alone youu inability to ever rely on facts. Don&#8217;t you ever get tired of repeating the same shit over and over agan? It is funny for while, but the joke has run thin. No one cares Ian. Get out the razor blades.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mott</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/costing-a-whale/comment-page-1/#comment-119892</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, it looks like the Greenpimp rent-a-crowd has arrived in force for a spleen vent and a bit of distraction, as usual.

Meanwhile, back to the point. No-one has contested the fact that there is a functioning market for whale meat, or rather, there are a number of functioning markets. And no-one has contested the fact that at the retail part of this value chain the price of whale meat in Japan is Y2060/kg or about AU$27/kg.  And no-one has contested the fact that the corporate supplied part of the human consumption portion of this trade is in the order of 5,000 tonnes each year.

We also know that there is another portion of the industry supplied by local Japanese fishermen, and Koreans, that is not well documented. And we also know that an almost equal volume to the corporate trade, consisting of offal, bone etc goes to other uses such as pet food, fertiliser and aquaculture.  I have no information on prices for this trade. But we can say for certain that the corporate supplied part of the industry is a value chain in excess of $135 million even before the by-products are included.

So we do have a very valid, market based, means for determining the net realisable value of any whale, based on its live weight.  It is the same method used all over the world to calculate the value of a standing tree. One does not need to cut each tree down, or every tree, to assess its value because there is a functioning market for some of the trees from which a valid assessment can be made. 

And in case our little mouth frothing whale wanker mates might still retain doubts due to their likely latent tree molesting tendencies, we should also note that this is also the basis on which shares and bonds are valued as well.

So when the learned gentlemen from whale wally world seek exclusive use of the entire whale population we have very long established, and legally accepted means with which to assess the value of the whales they are seeking to appropriate for their sole use.

This also allows us to calculate the total value of this captured natural capital and determine whether the claimed benefits of the whale watching industry represent an appropriate return on this natural capital.  As my article highlighted above, this is clearly not the case. 

If the total world value of this resource is in the order of $200 billion then an acceptable return for the exclusive use of it would be 5% per annum or $10 billion a year. And as this resource is primarily in international waters it would follow that the $10 billion rightfully belongs to all of humanity, not just Greenpimp and the whale wallies.

Yes, this is the amount that the whale watching industry should be distibuting to every other person on the planet as the economic rent for their exclusive use. And only after they have paid that rent should they be charging additional money from their customers for the cost of boat, crew etc. 

It is worth noting that Japan&#039;s population of 127 million people is 2.11% of the worlds 6 Billion people which would mean that their 2.11% share of the global economic rent on the whale resource would be $211 million a year. So at present it seems clear that, to date, they taking less than their fair share of this resource. 

And one can only wonder how long it will take before India, China, Pakistan and Indonesia start asking the OECD whale wally nations where their share of this dividend has been hidden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, it looks like the Greenpimp rent-a-crowd has arrived in force for a spleen vent and a bit of distraction, as usual.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, back to the point. No-one has contested the fact that there is a functioning market for whale meat, or rather, there are a number of functioning markets. And no-one has contested the fact that at the retail part of this value chain the price of whale meat in Japan is Y2060/kg or about AU$27/kg.  And no-one has contested the fact that the corporate supplied part of the human consumption portion of this trade is in the order of 5,000 tonnes each year.</p>
<p>We also know that there is another portion of the industry supplied by local Japanese fishermen, and Koreans, that is not well documented. And we also know that an almost equal volume to the corporate trade, consisting of offal, bone etc goes to other uses such as pet food, fertiliser and aquaculture.  I have no information on prices for this trade. But we can say for certain that the corporate supplied part of the industry is a value chain in excess of $135 million even before the by-products are included.</p>
<p>So we do have a very valid, market based, means for determining the net realisable value of any whale, based on its live weight.  It is the same method used all over the world to calculate the value of a standing tree. One does not need to cut each tree down, or every tree, to assess its value because there is a functioning market for some of the trees from which a valid assessment can be made. </p>
<p>And in case our little mouth frothing whale wanker mates might still retain doubts due to their likely latent tree molesting tendencies, we should also note that this is also the basis on which shares and bonds are valued as well.</p>
<p>So when the learned gentlemen from whale wally world seek exclusive use of the entire whale population we have very long established, and legally accepted means with which to assess the value of the whales they are seeking to appropriate for their sole use.</p>
<p>This also allows us to calculate the total value of this captured natural capital and determine whether the claimed benefits of the whale watching industry represent an appropriate return on this natural capital.  As my article highlighted above, this is clearly not the case. </p>
<p>If the total world value of this resource is in the order of $200 billion then an acceptable return for the exclusive use of it would be 5% per annum or $10 billion a year. And as this resource is primarily in international waters it would follow that the $10 billion rightfully belongs to all of humanity, not just Greenpimp and the whale wallies.</p>
<p>Yes, this is the amount that the whale watching industry should be distibuting to every other person on the planet as the economic rent for their exclusive use. And only after they have paid that rent should they be charging additional money from their customers for the cost of boat, crew etc. </p>
<p>It is worth noting that Japan&#8217;s population of 127 million people is 2.11% of the worlds 6 Billion people which would mean that their 2.11% share of the global economic rent on the whale resource would be $211 million a year. So at present it seems clear that, to date, they taking less than their fair share of this resource. </p>
<p>And one can only wonder how long it will take before India, China, Pakistan and Indonesia start asking the OECD whale wally nations where their share of this dividend has been hidden.</p>
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		<title>By: janama</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/costing-a-whale/comment-page-1/#comment-119859</link>
		<dc:creator>janama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.killersofeden.com/</description>
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		<title>By: janama</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/costing-a-whale/comment-page-1/#comment-119855</link>
		<dc:creator>janama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob - I suggest you visit the Museum at Eden on the south coast and read about the interplay that went on between the whalers and the Orcas. It&#039;s defined in the Book &quot;the Killers of Eden&quot; if you are interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob &#8211; I suggest you visit the Museum at Eden on the south coast and read about the interplay that went on between the whalers and the Orcas. It&#8217;s defined in the Book &#8220;the Killers of Eden&#8221; if you are interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations Ian Mott, you and your sheep have ably demonstrated my points exactly. &quot;Simplistic&quot; sums you up so succinctly. Ha ha! But you are so very good for a laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations Ian Mott, you and your sheep have ably demonstrated my points exactly. &#8220;Simplistic&#8221; sums you up so succinctly. Ha ha! But you are so very good for a laugh.</p>
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