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		<title>By: Bayrunner</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/05/ravens-right-relationships-n-ice-trucks/comment-page-2/#comment-108229</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 11:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greens should celebrate the fundamental relationship between man and beast, not condemn it. 
Great footage, Jennifer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greens should celebrate the fundamental relationship between man and beast, not condemn it.<br />
Great footage, Jennifer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Novek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Novek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 10:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people have posted comments here that show compassion for animals. Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: spangled drongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>spangled drongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 10:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis,
I was crazy enough once to take on &quot;mustering&quot; scrub bulls on contract. It was for the US hamburger meat trade because bullmeat can apparently absorb its own weight in water and such bulls only exist as wild scrubbers. Huge, old and extremely cunning.
But it is a mad caper. They call it moonlighting only you can&#039;t use the moon. It has to be pitch dark. Lots of gored horses, dead dogs and broken limbs but good money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis,<br />
I was crazy enough once to take on &#8220;mustering&#8221; scrub bulls on contract. It was for the US hamburger meat trade because bullmeat can apparently absorb its own weight in water and such bulls only exist as wild scrubbers. Huge, old and extremely cunning.<br />
But it is a mad caper. They call it moonlighting only you can&#8217;t use the moon. It has to be pitch dark. Lots of gored horses, dead dogs and broken limbs but good money.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 09:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spangles,

Scrub  bulls - had a close encounter with one some years back on Carson River Station (Kimberley Region).

I was using a 4WD quad bike, a bunch of star pickets strapped on it for mining lease pegging purposes, and navigating by the GPS (attached on the handle bar).

The Quad was a water cooled Yamaha and thus somewhat quiet in operation.

After about 15 minutes traversing the country to the corner peg of the lease. I realised I was, well not lost since I knew exactly where I was, but needed to look at the topographic map to plan the next leg of the route. So I stopped, as you do, to captain cook the ground.

My problem was I stopped next to a scrub bull, (with his RH horn missing).  As I stopped the quad he startled,  nudged me from my left, (no horn thank heavens) and I then instantly moved the quad forward 10 meters. Both of us were equally startled - the bull on encountering an alien machine, I an half horned scrub bull. Sort of Mexican standoff :-)

And both of us were very wary when either of us spotted the other afterwards.

It&#039;s moments like these that on needs minties or other stimulants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spangles,</p>
<p>Scrub  bulls &#8211; had a close encounter with one some years back on Carson River Station (Kimberley Region).</p>
<p>I was using a 4WD quad bike, a bunch of star pickets strapped on it for mining lease pegging purposes, and navigating by the GPS (attached on the handle bar).</p>
<p>The Quad was a water cooled Yamaha and thus somewhat quiet in operation.</p>
<p>After about 15 minutes traversing the country to the corner peg of the lease. I realised I was, well not lost since I knew exactly where I was, but needed to look at the topographic map to plan the next leg of the route. So I stopped, as you do, to captain cook the ground.</p>
<p>My problem was I stopped next to a scrub bull, (with his RH horn missing).  As I stopped the quad he startled,  nudged me from my left, (no horn thank heavens) and I then instantly moved the quad forward 10 meters. Both of us were equally startled &#8211; the bull on encountering an alien machine, I an half horned scrub bull. Sort of Mexican standoff :-)</p>
<p>And both of us were very wary when either of us spotted the other afterwards.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s moments like these that on needs minties or other stimulants.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 09:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen Mahar,

Cows cry? Sure do - reminds me of an incident when I was working on Wooleen station (Brett Pollock) when a killer was needed. (Wooleen has since been destocked of sheep and now runs cattle).

Out to the paddock we went, a suitable beast (cow) was picked and despatched with a 308.  The rest of the small herd only needed a couple of minutes before they realised what happened.  Butchering the beast necessitated us putting a ring of vehicles around the deceased and to protect us from the bulls.

The herd of cattle were clearly distressed but having memories slightly longer lasting than goldfish, calm took some time to occur, about 1/ 2 an hour as I recall.

Bovines might be a tad dense in the brain area but they, non the less, are emotional animals and sense loss as much as we do, albeit with a shorter memory span.

Now killing an elephant for food is not a wise act - for elephants have prodigious memories. Perhaps why humans don&#039;t have steak-pachydermus as a staple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen Mahar,</p>
<p>Cows cry? Sure do &#8211; reminds me of an incident when I was working on Wooleen station (Brett Pollock) when a killer was needed. (Wooleen has since been destocked of sheep and now runs cattle).</p>
<p>Out to the paddock we went, a suitable beast (cow) was picked and despatched with a 308.  The rest of the small herd only needed a couple of minutes before they realised what happened.  Butchering the beast necessitated us putting a ring of vehicles around the deceased and to protect us from the bulls.</p>
<p>The herd of cattle were clearly distressed but having memories slightly longer lasting than goldfish, calm took some time to occur, about 1/ 2 an hour as I recall.</p>
<p>Bovines might be a tad dense in the brain area but they, non the less, are emotional animals and sense loss as much as we do, albeit with a shorter memory span.</p>
<p>Now killing an elephant for food is not a wise act &#8211; for elephants have prodigious memories. Perhaps why humans don&#8217;t have steak-pachydermus as a staple.</p>
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		<title>By: WJP</title>
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		<dc:creator>WJP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 06:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve often seen cattle happen upon a spot where an out of sight beast was recently dispatched and removed for butchering, and then to see a dominant animal pawing at the area and emitting a deep &quot;whorrr&quot; for a bit. Soon they&#039;re OK and off they wander.
     Happy cows on the other hand will kick their legs up as they charge towards you and at the last second come to a screeching halt. If the expected hay bale is missing they might get a bit pushy as if to say, &quot; Hey, where&#039;s my hay&quot;. Also you often see the younger calves get caught up in the moment, and as they wheel around they lose their footing in their exurburance and go for a side slide.
     Yep! Sometimes, happy days!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often seen cattle happen upon a spot where an out of sight beast was recently dispatched and removed for butchering, and then to see a dominant animal pawing at the area and emitting a deep &#8220;whorrr&#8221; for a bit. Soon they&#8217;re OK and off they wander.<br />
     Happy cows on the other hand will kick their legs up as they charge towards you and at the last second come to a screeching halt. If the expected hay bale is missing they might get a bit pushy as if to say, &#8221; Hey, where&#8217;s my hay&#8221;. Also you often see the younger calves get caught up in the moment, and as they wheel around they lose their footing in their exurburance and go for a side slide.<br />
     Yep! Sometimes, happy days!</p>
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		<title>By: spangled drongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>spangled drongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 04:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen, it&#039;s drawing a longish bow to say that a cranky cow left jammed in a bail for an hour or so and seen to have fluid running from her eyes and down her cheeks, was crying.
Branding toey cattle on an open camp produces snot, fluid and blood from about every orifice they possess.
Somehow, that doesn&#039;t relate to hurt feelings as much as to wild, bovine aggression.
But better handling techniques these days certainly helps those emotions, whatever they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen, it&#8217;s drawing a longish bow to say that a cranky cow left jammed in a bail for an hour or so and seen to have fluid running from her eyes and down her cheeks, was crying.<br />
Branding toey cattle on an open camp produces snot, fluid and blood from about every orifice they possess.<br />
Somehow, that doesn&#8217;t relate to hurt feelings as much as to wild, bovine aggression.<br />
But better handling techniques these days certainly helps those emotions, whatever they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Nasif Nahle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nasif Nahle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 03:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Comment from: Helen Mahar May 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 am

Nasif, I have not seen cows actually cry either, but a neighbour of mine did, years ago. He had a cow bailed and was trying to milk her. She was in a cranky mood, and kicked, planting her foot in the bucket. He got wild, threw the spoilt milk over her and stormed off, leaving her pinned. An hour or so later he came back to check on her. She was quietly standing there with tears running down her cheeks. He felt awful as he let her go. 

One advantage of paddock killing cattle is that they are felled by a bullet without knowing what hit them. But the herd does get upset. I have not heard of kangaroos grieving for lost mates.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s what butchers relate on cows that are being driven to the slaughterhouse. I&#039;ve not heard of kangaroos grieving for lost mates either; however, barn swallows do it through brief rituals before a dead mate or when their chicks accidentally fall outside the nest.

Regardless of being familiarized on seeing animals dying for my profession, I’m still distressed at their suffering; no matter if it is an ant or a cow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Comment from: Helen Mahar May 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 am</p>
<p>Nasif, I have not seen cows actually cry either, but a neighbour of mine did, years ago. He had a cow bailed and was trying to milk her. She was in a cranky mood, and kicked, planting her foot in the bucket. He got wild, threw the spoilt milk over her and stormed off, leaving her pinned. An hour or so later he came back to check on her. She was quietly standing there with tears running down her cheeks. He felt awful as he let her go. </p>
<p>One advantage of paddock killing cattle is that they are felled by a bullet without knowing what hit them. But the herd does get upset. I have not heard of kangaroos grieving for lost mates.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s what butchers relate on cows that are being driven to the slaughterhouse. I&#8217;ve not heard of kangaroos grieving for lost mates either; however, barn swallows do it through brief rituals before a dead mate or when their chicks accidentally fall outside the nest.</p>
<p>Regardless of being familiarized on seeing animals dying for my profession, I’m still distressed at their suffering; no matter if it is an ant or a cow.</p>
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		<title>By: Nasif Nahle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nasif Nahle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 02:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Comment from: spangled drongo May 23rd, 2009 at 8:59 am 

N N, I don’t know what you mean by “cry”. They bellow, and my impression is, is that it’s not for themselves but for those that have gone before.
When you shoot and butcher a cow on an open plain, sometimes the remaining herd will virtually have a requiem mass over the carcass.&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry, English is not my native language, but Helen&#039;s description is exactly what I meant, i.e. dropping tears by their cheeks. I&#039;ve not seen them doing that; I was referring to something that butchers relate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Comment from: spangled drongo May 23rd, 2009 at 8:59 am </p>
<p>N N, I don’t know what you mean by “cry”. They bellow, and my impression is, is that it’s not for themselves but for those that have gone before.<br />
When you shoot and butcher a cow on an open plain, sometimes the remaining herd will virtually have a requiem mass over the carcass.</i></p>
<p>Sorry, English is not my native language, but Helen&#8217;s description is exactly what I meant, i.e. dropping tears by their cheeks. I&#8217;ve not seen them doing that; I was referring to something that butchers relate.</p>
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		<title>By: spangled drongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>spangled drongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 02:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen,
I&#039;ve seen instances where people, in country areas where there is significant biodiversity, have agreed to a pet moratorium on cats and dogs on the basis of: keep your existing pets but when they die don&#039;t replace them.
As a result there has been an exponential increase in native wildlife numbers and while it is a different type of relationship with animals, many humans prefer it.
As a dog owner I proposed in my area but with no success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen,<br />
I&#8217;ve seen instances where people, in country areas where there is significant biodiversity, have agreed to a pet moratorium on cats and dogs on the basis of: keep your existing pets but when they die don&#8217;t replace them.<br />
As a result there has been an exponential increase in native wildlife numbers and while it is a different type of relationship with animals, many humans prefer it.<br />
As a dog owner I proposed in my area but with no success.</p>
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