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	<title>Comments on: No Reporting of Slowing Greenland Glaciers:  Shame on the MSM</title>
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		<title>By: FrankTrades</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankTrades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya know what?  If the ice isn&#039;t meltin&#039;, the ice isn&#039;t meltin&#039;.

English, it&#039;s a tough language ain&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know what?  If the ice isn&#8217;t meltin&#8217;, the ice isn&#8217;t meltin&#8217;.</p>
<p>English, it&#8217;s a tough language ain&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Smokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sea level graph posted by David was the &quot;adjusted&quot; sea level.

See here for a blink comparison of the adjusted vs unadjusted [raw] data:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2aevck.jpg

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sea level graph posted by David was the &#8220;adjusted&#8221; sea level.</p>
<p>See here for a blink comparison of the adjusted vs unadjusted [raw] data:</p>
<p><a href="http://i43.tinypic.com/2aevck.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i43.tinypic.com/2aevck.jpg</a></p>
<p>[Have patience, it takes a few seconds to load.]</p>
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		<title>By: KuhnKat</title>
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		<dc:creator>KuhnKat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

not surprising that an alarmist will use the most massaged data to make a point. Why didn&#039;t you use:

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/current/sl_noib_global.jpg

Oh yeah, it shows the average sea level hasn&#039;t risen for about 2 years!!

You also need to explain how the current sea level, whether rising or static, is higher than it was during previous inter-glacials!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>not surprising that an alarmist will use the most massaged data to make a point. Why didn&#8217;t you use:</p>
<p><a href="http://sealevel.colorado.edu/current/sl_noib_global.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://sealevel.colorado.edu/current/sl_noib_global.jpg</a></p>
<p>Oh yeah, it shows the average sea level hasn&#8217;t risen for about 2 years!!</p>
<p>You also need to explain how the current sea level, whether rising or static, is higher than it was during previous inter-glacials!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy, Louis.  The average depth of the worlds oceans is 4000 metres so 2/97ths of 4000 is 82.47 metres, assuming it all flows into oceans and none remains in lakes in situ or other non-oceanic lakes like the Aral and Caspian seas, and none of it flows into sub-sea level depressions like the Qattara Depression in Egypt, the one on the Algerian border with Tunisia, the Dead Sea and our own Lake Eyre. Add the expansion coefficient for the upper 500 metres, over a century or two and poor old Robin Williams (with his moronic 100m sea level rise) is exposed as promoting an outcome that is completely beyond the possible.

The other variable that has been ignored by the warmist mafia is the fact that as sea levels rise and expand into new areas of land the total volume of water in evaporative circulation will also increase. And last time I looked there was a $hit load of potential for additional evaproative circulation in the Sahara, Middle Eastern and Australian Deserts, all of which will retard the rate of sea level rise.

If the ice mass is 2% of all water and the atmosphere and land surface has 1% of it then a modest 40% increase in the latter will reduce the maximum sea level rise by 20% to 61 metres.

In any event, the exposed surface of most of the worlds ice is above 2000 metres ADH where it remains more than 20 C cooler than at sea level. So no need to lose any sleep for quite a few millenia yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy, Louis.  The average depth of the worlds oceans is 4000 metres so 2/97ths of 4000 is 82.47 metres, assuming it all flows into oceans and none remains in lakes in situ or other non-oceanic lakes like the Aral and Caspian seas, and none of it flows into sub-sea level depressions like the Qattara Depression in Egypt, the one on the Algerian border with Tunisia, the Dead Sea and our own Lake Eyre. Add the expansion coefficient for the upper 500 metres, over a century or two and poor old Robin Williams (with his moronic 100m sea level rise) is exposed as promoting an outcome that is completely beyond the possible.</p>
<p>The other variable that has been ignored by the warmist mafia is the fact that as sea levels rise and expand into new areas of land the total volume of water in evaporative circulation will also increase. And last time I looked there was a $hit load of potential for additional evaproative circulation in the Sahara, Middle Eastern and Australian Deserts, all of which will retard the rate of sea level rise.</p>
<p>If the ice mass is 2% of all water and the atmosphere and land surface has 1% of it then a modest 40% increase in the latter will reduce the maximum sea level rise by 20% to 61 metres.</p>
<p>In any event, the exposed surface of most of the worlds ice is above 2000 metres ADH where it remains more than 20 C cooler than at sea level. So no need to lose any sleep for quite a few millenia yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the review of the CSIRO latest publication &quot;Regolith Science&quot; I came across some interesting statistics in chapter 10, regolith and water.

The earth&#039;s total mass of water , 1.5 x 10^14 M tonnes, 97% is in the oceans, 2% locked in ice caps and glaciers, and the remainder, 1% in or on the landmasses.

If that 2% melted how much would the oceans increase in volume and hence sea level rise?

All one needs is the surface area of the Earth, to do a first order computation to get a ball park sea level rise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the review of the CSIRO latest publication &#8220;Regolith Science&#8221; I came across some interesting statistics in chapter 10, regolith and water.</p>
<p>The earth&#8217;s total mass of water , 1.5 x 10^14 M tonnes, 97% is in the oceans, 2% locked in ice caps and glaciers, and the remainder, 1% in or on the landmasses.</p>
<p>If that 2% melted how much would the oceans increase in volume and hence sea level rise?</p>
<p>All one needs is the surface area of the Earth, to do a first order computation to get a ball park sea level rise.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C3H editor

Good work -keep it up.

AGW arguments concerning glacier dynamics, however, might be somewhat glacial in appearance here.  Stupidity does take some time to express itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C3H editor</p>
<p>Good work -keep it up.</p>
<p>AGW arguments concerning glacier dynamics, however, might be somewhat glacial in appearance here.  Stupidity does take some time to express itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynda,

Your assessment is accurate - but as an highly educated flea, I have yet to work out how I can affect the progress of the elaphantine like Earth by my metabolism on its metaphorical tail.

I have difficulty with the idea that, on one hand, we affect climate, and on the other, not. Commonsense suggests we have to cope with climate change rather than to subject ourselves to the new religion based on our ability to change it by penance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynda,</p>
<p>Your assessment is accurate &#8211; but as an highly educated flea, I have yet to work out how I can affect the progress of the elaphantine like Earth by my metabolism on its metaphorical tail.</p>
<p>I have difficulty with the idea that, on one hand, we affect climate, and on the other, not. Commonsense suggests we have to cope with climate change rather than to subject ourselves to the new religion based on our ability to change it by penance.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhyl

This happens when the bean counters usurp the role of the engineers.

I also was told about an embarassing NSW underground rail tunnel project - apparently the public servant in charge designed it without referring an engineer and after the tunnel was  built, it was discovered that he had not factored in the length of the railway carriages in the design. That said, I cannot vouch for its accuracy but based on experience, it probably happened, especially in NSW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhyl</p>
<p>This happens when the bean counters usurp the role of the engineers.</p>
<p>I also was told about an embarassing NSW underground rail tunnel project &#8211; apparently the public servant in charge designed it without referring an engineer and after the tunnel was  built, it was discovered that he had not factored in the length of the railway carriages in the design. That said, I cannot vouch for its accuracy but based on experience, it probably happened, especially in NSW.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhyl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the rail lines buckling in the heat.  

Once line segments were about 10m long but they found it was cheaper to lay 100m sections.  Lines always expanded in hot weather but the joins (the clackety-clack) allowed for it.  Making the sections longer leaves less room for expansion and they buckle.

Amazing what knowledge gets overlooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the rail lines buckling in the heat.  </p>
<p>Once line segments were about 10m long but they found it was cheaper to lay 100m sections.  Lines always expanded in hot weather but the joins (the clackety-clack) allowed for it.  Making the sections longer leaves less room for expansion and they buckle.</p>
<p>Amazing what knowledge gets overlooked.</p>
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		<title>By: C3H Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>C3H Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The press is absolutely worthless when it comes to the &quot;con&quot; side of their news agenda. It&#039;s a tragedy; but out of bad, comes good. Here in the U.S., the mainstream media is in a business death spiral towards collapse - readers continue to reject the lack of press objectivity by reporters. This has provided opportunities for alternative sources of information, such as your own blog - and that&#039;s good! (It&#039;s great being able to hear and read viewpoints from across the world, which our mainstream press did not provide.)

Likewise, it provides individuals like me to gather information and share it with others across the world. Our latest effort was to compile a bunch of quotes from global warming skeptics (oh..right...&quot;sceptics&quot;) that the mainstream press would never compile, let alone publish.

Here&#039;s the list of quotes, and I&#039;m sure most of those quoted would share your feelings about the lack of coverage about the glaciers:

http://www.c3headlines.com/quotes-from-global-warming-critics-skeptics-sceptics.html

C3H editor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The press is absolutely worthless when it comes to the &#8220;con&#8221; side of their news agenda. It&#8217;s a tragedy; but out of bad, comes good. Here in the U.S., the mainstream media is in a business death spiral towards collapse &#8211; readers continue to reject the lack of press objectivity by reporters. This has provided opportunities for alternative sources of information, such as your own blog &#8211; and that&#8217;s good! (It&#8217;s great being able to hear and read viewpoints from across the world, which our mainstream press did not provide.)</p>
<p>Likewise, it provides individuals like me to gather information and share it with others across the world. Our latest effort was to compile a bunch of quotes from global warming skeptics (oh..right&#8230;&#8221;sceptics&#8221;) that the mainstream press would never compile, let alone publish.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the list of quotes, and I&#8217;m sure most of those quoted would share your feelings about the lack of coverage about the glaciers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.c3headlines.com/quotes-from-global-warming-critics-skeptics-sceptics.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.c3headlines.com/quotes-from-global-warming-critics-skeptics-sceptics.html</a></p>
<p>C3H editor</p>
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