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	<title>Comments on: Magazine Duped by anti-GM Activist – A Case of More of the Same</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken Louis,

I meant to point out that extreme language is used by all sides, but you are right, I was using Mott as an example of extreme language, and you pointed out Graeme Bird, but both use their own names and the point you were making included using aliases. My mistake, I should&#039;ve thought before writing. However, extreme language isn&#039;t good, aliases or not.

BTW. I&#039;m not from Qld. I don&#039;t like humidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken Louis,</p>
<p>I meant to point out that extreme language is used by all sides, but you are right, I was using Mott as an example of extreme language, and you pointed out Graeme Bird, but both use their own names and the point you were making included using aliases. My mistake, I should&#8217;ve thought before writing. However, extreme language isn&#8217;t good, aliases or not.</p>
<p>BTW. I&#8217;m not from Qld. I don&#8217;t like humidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MattB

And just how, as a mere poster, can I gag debate here?

By forceful use of language?

Alas, not I but please do your homework, because, contrary to most expectations, I don&#039;t suffer fools at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MattB</p>
<p>And just how, as a mere poster, can I gag debate here?</p>
<p>By forceful use of language?</p>
<p>Alas, not I but please do your homework, because, contrary to most expectations, I don&#8217;t suffer fools at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/01/magazine-duped-by-anti-gm-activist-%e2%80%93-a-case-of-more-of-the-same/comment-page-3/#comment-79549</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy C

I just noticed your following correction and note that Ian Mott lives in Queensland, and additionally note you don&#039;t include Graham Bird, who uses far more colourful expressions than Ian Mott.

What is this - a paroachial QLD issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy C</p>
<p>I just noticed your following correction and note that Ian Mott lives in Queensland, and additionally note you don&#8217;t include Graham Bird, who uses far more colourful expressions than Ian Mott.</p>
<p>What is this &#8211; a paroachial QLD issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/01/magazine-duped-by-anti-gm-activist-%e2%80%93-a-case-of-more-of-the-same/comment-page-3/#comment-79548</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy C

&quot;You’re right Louis. I was using ‘Biffo’ Mott as my model….&quot;

I cannot be right as I never said you were using Mott as model.

So how about getting your facts sorted out please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy C</p>
<p>&#8220;You’re right Louis. I was using ‘Biffo’ Mott as my model….&#8221;</p>
<p>I cannot be right as I never said you were using Mott as model.</p>
<p>So how about getting your facts sorted out please.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Model, in terms of the language used against other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Model, in terms of the language used against other people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy C</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/01/magazine-duped-by-anti-gm-activist-%e2%80%93-a-case-of-more-of-the-same/comment-page-2/#comment-79532</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Louis. I was using &#039;Biffo&#039; Mott as my model....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Louis. I was using &#8216;Biffo&#8217; Mott as my model&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair Bartholomew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair Bartholomew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Comment from: Jeremy C January 14th, 2009 at 6:48 am 
Louis and Blair,

If ‘Luke’ is Ken Day, Ken Done or what ever and his day job is paid for by the government then what is the problem? What exactly are you saying that he is he doing wrong, is it using an alias or are only certain people in society allowed to express their opinions on blogs?
Are you afraid of him………….?&quot;

Dear Jeremy
My point is this; use aliases to comment/criticize articles by other persons  using aliases. But if you wish to criticize real living people have the guts to use your own name.  Ken is a highly regarded scientist and why he went down the path of abusive blogs using numerous aliases only he can answer. He is employed by a Government Department which naturally has a particular view on climate change. The way Government Departments have operated over the past 20 years he would not be employed there if he had a contrary view. Afraid of Ken? I am more afraid of Climate Change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Comment from: Jeremy C January 14th, 2009 at 6:48 am<br />
Louis and Blair,</p>
<p>If ‘Luke’ is Ken Day, Ken Done or what ever and his day job is paid for by the government then what is the problem? What exactly are you saying that he is he doing wrong, is it using an alias or are only certain people in society allowed to express their opinions on blogs?<br />
Are you afraid of him………….?&#8221;</p>
<p>Dear Jeremy<br />
My point is this; use aliases to comment/criticize articles by other persons  using aliases. But if you wish to criticize real living people have the guts to use your own name.  Ken is a highly regarded scientist and why he went down the path of abusive blogs using numerous aliases only he can answer. He is employed by a Government Department which naturally has a particular view on climate change. The way Government Departments have operated over the past 20 years he would not be employed there if he had a contrary view. Afraid of Ken? I am more afraid of Climate Change.</p>
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		<title>By: MattB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I wouldn&#039;t have a problem with it personally Louis.  I think you do the blogosphere a world of harm with your present approach to gagging debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I wouldn&#8217;t have a problem with it personally Louis.  I think you do the blogosphere a world of harm with your present approach to gagging debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/01/magazine-duped-by-anti-gm-activist-%e2%80%93-a-case-of-more-of-the-same/comment-page-2/#comment-79473</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy C,

You have no problem being publicly veballed, defamed, libelled by a senior public servant on this blog? You approve of this? Obviously otherwise you would not have framed your question as hyou have.

I can now sue him if I fee inclined, and that fact alone should result in more civil posts from &quot;Luke&quot; if he bothers to post again, of course. The sheer embarassment of being caught out might be too much for him, never to return here.

It&#039;s not the expressing an opinion Jeremy C, that is the issue but the torrent of verbal abuse directed at those here who have a sceptical position that accompanies that opinion. 

And no I am not frightened of him - let me recount another famous lefty who was libelled here by a poster some years back - John Quiggin - who subsequently threatened to sue Jennifer if the offending comment was not removed. So those of us here are careful not to libel John Quiggin or anyone else for that matter here, especially behind a pseudonym.

I could have done a Quiggin and threatened to sue Jennifer if Luke etc kept up with the libel and abuse, but I didn&#039;t.  Usually posters who abuse other posters are moderated or have their posts removed from the blog so I always wondered why this never happended with the Lukes etc. Now we know.

But you obviously feel this civility is not necessary for AGW supporters and you therfore wholly support any poster here who libels a sceptic behind a pseudonym, dismissing it as robust debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy C,</p>
<p>You have no problem being publicly veballed, defamed, libelled by a senior public servant on this blog? You approve of this? Obviously otherwise you would not have framed your question as hyou have.</p>
<p>I can now sue him if I fee inclined, and that fact alone should result in more civil posts from &#8220;Luke&#8221; if he bothers to post again, of course. The sheer embarassment of being caught out might be too much for him, never to return here.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the expressing an opinion Jeremy C, that is the issue but the torrent of verbal abuse directed at those here who have a sceptical position that accompanies that opinion. </p>
<p>And no I am not frightened of him &#8211; let me recount another famous lefty who was libelled here by a poster some years back &#8211; John Quiggin &#8211; who subsequently threatened to sue Jennifer if the offending comment was not removed. So those of us here are careful not to libel John Quiggin or anyone else for that matter here, especially behind a pseudonym.</p>
<p>I could have done a Quiggin and threatened to sue Jennifer if Luke etc kept up with the libel and abuse, but I didn&#8217;t.  Usually posters who abuse other posters are moderated or have their posts removed from the blog so I always wondered why this never happended with the Lukes etc. Now we know.</p>
<p>But you obviously feel this civility is not necessary for AGW supporters and you therfore wholly support any poster here who libels a sceptic behind a pseudonym, dismissing it as robust debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis and Blair,

If &#039;Luke&#039; is Ken Day, Ken Done or what ever and his day job is paid for by the government then what is the problem? What exactly are you saying that he is he doing wrong, is it using an alias or are only certain people in society allowed to express their opinions on blogs?


Are you afraid of him.............?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis and Blair,</p>
<p>If &#8216;Luke&#8217; is Ken Day, Ken Done or what ever and his day job is paid for by the government then what is the problem? What exactly are you saying that he is he doing wrong, is it using an alias or are only certain people in society allowed to express their opinions on blogs?</p>
<p>Are you afraid of him&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.?</p>
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