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	<title>Comments on: No &#8216;Happy New Year&#8217; for Koalas in the Central Murray Valley</title>
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		<title>By: Marohasy&#8217;s Denialist Church of True Believers &#171; The Dog&#8217;s Bollocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marohasy&#8217;s Denialist Church of True Believers &#171; The Dog&#8217;s Bollocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from cattle grazing and logging she argued against the park on the grounds that this will endanger the survival of Koalas in the area. The logic is that there is not enough water for the trees (did I mention that one of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from cattle grazing and logging she argued against the park on the grounds that this will endanger the survival of Koalas in the area. The logic is that there is not enough water for the trees (did I mention that one of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sod</title>
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		<dc:creator>sod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I can show you 900 year old trees at barmah
Regards Murray&lt;/i&gt;

please don t. they ll use it as firewood. 

&lt;i&gt;The report recommends grazing cattle ONLY in the autumn/winter and removing them for spring so the annual Barmah Muster should be moved from April to September and the lyrics altered for the Barmah Muster Song&lt;/i&gt;

nice find. still waiting for Jennifer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I can show you 900 year old trees at barmah<br />
Regards Murray</i></p>
<p>please don t. they ll use it as firewood. </p>
<p><i>The report recommends grazing cattle ONLY in the autumn/winter and removing them for spring so the annual Barmah Muster should be moved from April to September and the lyrics altered for the Barmah Muster Song</i></p>
<p>nice find. still waiting for Jennifer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: janama</title>
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		<dc:creator>janama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bronson - that gave me a place to look.

http://www.forest.nsw.gov.au/bush/aug00/stories/16.asp

&quot;Cattle grazing obviously has advantages for reducing fuel for wildfires but it can also be used to reduce annual weeds in these forests. (Note: no evidence to support the statement) 

&quot;It is all about timing. The cattle are moved into these areas when the introduced annual weeds are growing in winter. The cattle eat the weeds before they have a chance to flower and seed.

&quot;Grazing is ceased in spring when the native species are growing and seeding. Cattle have the added advantage of slightly disturbing the soil to create perfect conditions for native grasses and shrubs to regenerate.&quot;


The report recommends grazing cattle ONLY in the autumn/winter and removing them for spring so the annual Barmah Muster should be moved from April to September and the lyrics altered for the Barmah Muster Song

BARMAH MUSTER

We’re mustering cattle at Barmah one more
It’s that time of the year once again 
Winter is over and spring is here 
As we meet for the muster each year 

(Chorus)   

On Sunday night as the nights shadows fall
We meet at the old cattle yards 
The boys are excited as they all have their say 
As they plan for the muster next day 

The morning is chilly as the sun comes up 
As we saddle our bronks for the day 
With tucker bags full and our stockwhips in hand 
We ride through the tall timber land 

  (Chorus) 

Old Sticher the cook he is with us no more 
But his spirit will be there this year 
As we meet with the boys for a yarn and a beer 
And we join this great atmosphere 

We muster the cattle these cattle each day for the week 
But when Saturday night it comes round 
We kick up our heels and we all clap our hands 
To the beat of a good country band 

  (Chorus) 

We’re mustering cattle at Barmah once more
That time has past for the year 
But I bet its for certain we’ll all be back here 
When we’ll meet for the muster next year .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bronson &#8211; that gave me a place to look.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forest.nsw.gov.au/bush/aug00/stories/16.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.forest.nsw.gov.au/bush/aug00/stories/16.asp</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Cattle grazing obviously has advantages for reducing fuel for wildfires but it can also be used to reduce annual weeds in these forests. (Note: no evidence to support the statement) </p>
<p>&#8220;It is all about timing. The cattle are moved into these areas when the introduced annual weeds are growing in winter. The cattle eat the weeds before they have a chance to flower and seed.</p>
<p>&#8220;Grazing is ceased in spring when the native species are growing and seeding. Cattle have the added advantage of slightly disturbing the soil to create perfect conditions for native grasses and shrubs to regenerate.&#8221;</p>
<p>The report recommends grazing cattle ONLY in the autumn/winter and removing them for spring so the annual Barmah Muster should be moved from April to September and the lyrics altered for the Barmah Muster Song</p>
<p>BARMAH MUSTER</p>
<p>We’re mustering cattle at Barmah one more<br />
It’s that time of the year once again<br />
Winter is over and spring is here<br />
As we meet for the muster each year </p>
<p>(Chorus)   </p>
<p>On Sunday night as the nights shadows fall<br />
We meet at the old cattle yards<br />
The boys are excited as they all have their say<br />
As they plan for the muster next day </p>
<p>The morning is chilly as the sun comes up<br />
As we saddle our bronks for the day<br />
With tucker bags full and our stockwhips in hand<br />
We ride through the tall timber land </p>
<p>  (Chorus) </p>
<p>Old Sticher the cook he is with us no more<br />
But his spirit will be there this year<br />
As we meet with the boys for a yarn and a beer<br />
And we join this great atmosphere </p>
<p>We muster the cattle these cattle each day for the week<br />
But when Saturday night it comes round<br />
We kick up our heels and we all clap our hands<br />
To the beat of a good country band </p>
<p>  (Chorus) </p>
<p>We’re mustering cattle at Barmah once more<br />
That time has past for the year<br />
But I bet its for certain we’ll all be back here<br />
When we’ll meet for the muster next year .</p>
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		<title>By: bronson</title>
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		<dc:creator>bronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janama, Jennifer
there is a grazing strategy document for the NSW side of the boarder - 

http://www.forest.nsw.gov.au/bush/feb02/stories/25.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janama, Jennifer<br />
there is a grazing strategy document for the NSW side of the boarder &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.forest.nsw.gov.au/bush/feb02/stories/25.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.forest.nsw.gov.au/bush/feb02/stories/25.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Murray Macullochella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray Macullochella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can show you 900 year old trees at barmah
Regards Murray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can show you 900 year old trees at barmah<br />
Regards Murray</p>
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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janama,  I&#039;ve just had a search for the relevant report - unsuccessfully.  But I am sure its online ... I will email Max for the url.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janama,  I&#8217;ve just had a search for the relevant report &#8211; unsuccessfully.  But I am sure its online &#8230; I will email Max for the url.</p>
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		<title>By: janama</title>
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		<dc:creator>janama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no - the amount of grass they eat does not make a difference. get it?

please show me the report that shows that cattle improve the ecology of the forests, or any land for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no &#8211; the amount of grass they eat does not make a difference. get it?</p>
<p>please show me the report that shows that cattle improve the ecology of the forests, or any land for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Grame Bird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grame Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;no I’m not keeping up Graeme - the main fuel that sustains fires when conditions turn dry is not grass, it’s the fact that aussie gum trees continually drop branches and cattle don’t eat branches!&quot;

Are you claiming that the cows don&#039;t eat ANY fuel??? If not what is your point? They eat SOME fuel do they not? No-ones putting cows up as fire-fighting machines dopey.  Get it together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;no I’m not keeping up Graeme &#8211; the main fuel that sustains fires when conditions turn dry is not grass, it’s the fact that aussie gum trees continually drop branches and cattle don’t eat branches!&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you claiming that the cows don&#8217;t eat ANY fuel??? If not what is your point? They eat SOME fuel do they not? No-ones putting cows up as fire-fighting machines dopey.  Get it together.</p>
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		<title>By: cinders</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have we as a nation got our priorities right when we spend more on fireworks on New Year&#039;s Eve, than the money to support timber workers that will have their jobs destroyed by this decision to create 4 new national parks and umpteen conservation areas and extensions.
Sydney fireworks $5 million, Adelaide, with no plastic bags to take shopping home, a couple of million, Victoria probably $3 million all up. 

The Victorian Labor Premiers, a representative of working families, has allocated just $4.5 million assistance package for the 55 timber workers affected and we will also seek to maximise training and re-employment opportunities, from the $38 million package (reallocated from Healthcare, schools and vital infrastructure) for the Parks.

According to my calculator that $81,818.18 cents each. Perhaps half going to the trainers, and a quarter in subsidies to new employees.  This is back to the future stuff, in NSW in the 80s or was it the seventies, the government came to the sawmill to close it down to create some national parks to win green votes in the city.  The workers were told &quot;You&#039;ll all have jobs in tourism, tourisms the go&quot;.  Not one timber worker got a job serving cafe lattes.  

Since that time National parks have been under funded, under resourced, their management has been highly questionable, many have become weed infested, home to feral animals and of course tinder dry.  Not one cent of the Wilderness Society&#039;s $12 million budget is spent on helping our National Parks.

Thats not saving the environment, thats a proven recipe for disaster. Yet it is also the spring board for the next campaign for the greens to create even more national parks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have we as a nation got our priorities right when we spend more on fireworks on New Year&#8217;s Eve, than the money to support timber workers that will have their jobs destroyed by this decision to create 4 new national parks and umpteen conservation areas and extensions.<br />
Sydney fireworks $5 million, Adelaide, with no plastic bags to take shopping home, a couple of million, Victoria probably $3 million all up. </p>
<p>The Victorian Labor Premiers, a representative of working families, has allocated just $4.5 million assistance package for the 55 timber workers affected and we will also seek to maximise training and re-employment opportunities, from the $38 million package (reallocated from Healthcare, schools and vital infrastructure) for the Parks.</p>
<p>According to my calculator that $81,818.18 cents each. Perhaps half going to the trainers, and a quarter in subsidies to new employees.  This is back to the future stuff, in NSW in the 80s or was it the seventies, the government came to the sawmill to close it down to create some national parks to win green votes in the city.  The workers were told &#8220;You&#8217;ll all have jobs in tourism, tourisms the go&#8221;.  Not one timber worker got a job serving cafe lattes.  </p>
<p>Since that time National parks have been under funded, under resourced, their management has been highly questionable, many have become weed infested, home to feral animals and of course tinder dry.  Not one cent of the Wilderness Society&#8217;s $12 million budget is spent on helping our National Parks.</p>
<p>Thats not saving the environment, thats a proven recipe for disaster. Yet it is also the spring board for the next campaign for the greens to create even more national parks.</p>
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		<title>By: Goodoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goodoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sod you are believing the Vic Gov propoganda. The trees are NOT 500 years old. The area was cleared in the 1860,s for wood for fuel and for the mines around Bendigo. Since then it was alowed to regenerate and and has been well managed to be the place it is now. 

I thought Graeme&#039;s coments were a little harsh so re-read your posts and now agree with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sod you are believing the Vic Gov propoganda. The trees are NOT 500 years old. The area was cleared in the 1860,s for wood for fuel and for the mines around Bendigo. Since then it was alowed to regenerate and and has been well managed to be the place it is now. </p>
<p>I thought Graeme&#8217;s coments were a little harsh so re-read your posts and now agree with him.</p>
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