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	<title>Comments on: Following-Up on that Climate Debate: William Kininmonth &amp; David Karoly</title>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G Brown asks &quot;who is [Des Moore]&quot;.  Suggest he tries a useful WWW tool called &quot;Google&quot;!  Just google &quot;&quot;Des Moore&quot; Melbourne&quot;, GB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G Brown asks &#8220;who is [Des Moore]&#8220;.  Suggest he tries a useful WWW tool called &#8220;Google&#8221;!  Just google &#8220;&#8221;Des Moore&#8221; Melbourne&#8221;, GB.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to see  the review by  Des Moore (who is DM?) gives the show of hands a 50-50 result  whereas Colin Barton gives a substantial majority to the good guys.

Also interesting to see the review by Des Moore gives qualifications to David Karoly but nothing about Bill&#039;s background.

Even-handed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to see  the review by  Des Moore (who is DM?) gives the show of hands a 50-50 result  whereas Colin Barton gives a substantial majority to the good guys.</p>
<p>Also interesting to see the review by Des Moore gives qualifications to David Karoly but nothing about Bill&#8217;s background.</p>
<p>Even-handed?</p>
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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just received as an email:

REVIEW OF DEBATE ON ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE HELD AT HAWTHORN TOWN HALL ON 19TH NOVEMBER 2008

I attended the debate on ‘ Should we be Concerned with Anthropogenic Climate Change’ at the Hawthorn Town Hall on Wednesday 19th November. 
The debate was characterized by the very noticeable difference in the presentation styles of the debaters. William Kininmonth presented in a quiet and competent way and David Karoly in a forceful and also competent way. Both deserve credit for being prepared to stand up and be counted in open debate.
In my opinion, Professor Karoly appeared, not to judge the audience well and to lecture as if we were first year students at best. He astounded with claims that the IPCC is not a political organization, that peer review is objective, and that climate models are proving to be accurate predictors. To me and to many of the attendees he was not able, despite the elegance of his presentations, to demonstrate the accuracy of any of these claims and was dismissive of certain pertinent questions that did not fit his perceptions.
There were excellent copies from papers by various authors available for comment and proceeding were filmed by professionals.
At the end of the evening on a show of hands, a substantial majority denied that the evidence supported anthropogenic global warming.
Review by Colin M. Barton PhD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just received as an email:</p>
<p>REVIEW OF DEBATE ON ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE HELD AT HAWTHORN TOWN HALL ON 19TH NOVEMBER 2008</p>
<p>I attended the debate on ‘ Should we be Concerned with Anthropogenic Climate Change’ at the Hawthorn Town Hall on Wednesday 19th November.<br />
The debate was characterized by the very noticeable difference in the presentation styles of the debaters. William Kininmonth presented in a quiet and competent way and David Karoly in a forceful and also competent way. Both deserve credit for being prepared to stand up and be counted in open debate.<br />
In my opinion, Professor Karoly appeared, not to judge the audience well and to lecture as if we were first year students at best. He astounded with claims that the IPCC is not a political organization, that peer review is objective, and that climate models are proving to be accurate predictors. To me and to many of the attendees he was not able, despite the elegance of his presentations, to demonstrate the accuracy of any of these claims and was dismissive of certain pertinent questions that did not fit his perceptions.<br />
There were excellent copies from papers by various authors available for comment and proceeding were filmed by professionals.<br />
At the end of the evening on a show of hands, a substantial majority denied that the evidence supported anthropogenic global warming.<br />
Review by Colin M. Barton PhD.</p>
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