It is possible to survive on a diet consisting almost entirely of what you can get from dead animals without any dietry deficiencies – thats how people used to survive in the extreeme north.

The secret lies in eating the parts most people today won’t touch – stomach content, liver, kidneys, brain, heart etc.

Eg. liver is a good source for vitamin C – esp. when eaten raw. Calf liver contains almost as much as lemons! Raw oysters are also an excellent source.

….” The Lofoten islanders themselves, and an Icelandic fisherman, presented their situation and anxieties for the survival of their communities, livelihood and culture in a most moving and engaging fashion. The main argument from Norway was presented with passion but courtesy by the Bellona Foundation, a respected organisation campaigning for the purity of the northern seas (it has been much concerned with the parlous state of defunct Russian nuclear submarines, whether sunken or in harbour); it demanded that BNFL should immediately cease discharging technetium and instead provide means to store the stream bearing it until suitable methods of separation and disposal could be developed. The UK Environment Agency explained the considerations behind the currently required steps to reduce prospective discharges of technetium as far as practicable without incurring other risks or costs disproportionate to the benefit. A Russian parliamentary guest speaker, in a diatribe against his nuclear energy ministry, grossly over-ran his time slot without touching on the subject of the conference. Briefly appearing, the Norwegian environment minister dutifully followed the Bellona line, and skated over a challenge to his crucial assumption that a totally satisfactory way of trapping technetium was technically possible.”

My note : the Lofoten Island is the headquarter of the whalers….

The North Atlantic coastal communities are opposed to nuclear power and have organisations like ” Stop Sellafield” , the whalers and NGOs alike believe in climate change and want carbon low meat etc, they are against off shore oil projects etc , all those things that Jennifer’s think tank supports….

The Greenlanders should reward the IWC wanker nations by doubling their harvest to 20 Humpbacks. Australia and NZ in particular have used this forum for entirely domestic diversionary purposes and have indulged themselves at the expense of other nations.

It doesn’t even matter if there is no human market for the whale meat, these clowns need to be put in their place. At the very least it could be used as feed stock for fish farming.

One rarely achieves any long term beneficial outcome by indulging the whims of bullies or nutters. So the sooner they are sent packing the better, preferably with a disproportionate response.

The original point of having international forums was to minimise friction between nations by increasing dialogue and reducing the extent of misunderstandings.

But the IWC is a total abuse of that concept. It is a vehicle for active interference in the affairs of other nations, based solely on manipulation through rhetoric and misrepresentation.

The only rational response when confronted by such systematically abusive and dysfunctional behaviour is to put as much distance between yourself and the abusers as possible.

If there is such a thing as an Australian Embassy or High Commission in Greenland then it would be about time they completely dismembered a Humpback on the footpath outside it. (and left them to clean up afterwards)

Way O/T now, but I do take 2g of Vit.C/day =)

I’d be extremely wary of that Joel. I have no idea what effect reduced sugar has on Vitamin C requirements, but I’m not talking about the range recommended by governments. I am convinced the RDA leaves a person open to everything from sub-clinical scurvey to heart disease. There’s plenty of evidence available as well that our requirement of C goes up dramatically during illness.

Many physicians still claim that any C intake in excess of the RDA is excreted in the urine. They are taught that in their 6 month nutrition course, and although many studies are available to refute that, they carry on the tradition. Pauling disproved that with an experiment on himself, and he was an expert researcher. He took a dose of 10 grams of C and measured what he excreted, which was about half. The rest went into circulation, but most of the excretion was through the bowels, and he claimed that helped prevent cancer.

Vitamin C in the bowels absorbs water into the intestinal tract, making the stools softer and passing any carcinogens that may adhere to the intestinal walls through slower movement. It is also an excellent anti-oxident, which means it will neutralize many potential carcinogens.

You can prove the ‘bowel tolerance’ thing to yourself. If you’re a healthy person, taking 5 grams of C will force a rush to the toilet in about an hour. If you’re sick or elderly, you can take a lot more with no effect.

The advantage of taking large dosages of C (> 1 gram/day) is giving yourself insurance against going short. Also, it gives extra C to work on processes that would normally be ignored if the body was short of it. A human requires a lot of collagen as a base for cells and the RDA is equivalent to a pinch of salt. Vitamin C is also involved in many other processes.

If you go short of it, something has to suffer. Ewan Cameron, a Scottish surgeon who collaborated with Pauling, claimed extra C helped build up chemicals in the body that resisted tumor growth.

When you talk about high amounts of meat cutting down requirements of C, your talking about borderline levels of the latter. If you get your C levels low enough, which is unlikely in our societies with a decent diet, you’re a goner. Scurvy is a very painful way to die, and although it only takes a smidgeon of C to prevent it, there’s no telling what borderline levels in your body can do in a negative sense. In other words, counting on a higher intake of meat to reduce levels of C strikes me as a rather dangerous practice.

It would appear that a mostly meat diet reduces the bodies need for vitamin C. I don’t have the studies handy, but its observed that L-ascorbate is structurally related to glucose so sugar in the diet may increase the need for vitamin C.

Raw meat does have the most vitamin C present, but freshly cooked meat appears to have some as well based on a couple of hospitilisation studies (most beef in the supermarket has been aged for weeks).

Carnivores can eat raw or even rancid meat because their digestive tracts are quite short. Therefore, any bacteria present don’t have sufficient time to multiply in the gut and cause problems. That said, I think omnivores can develop some immunity since bear’s can eat carrion.

I don’t think FRESH raw meat is a problem for humans at all. Every hunter-gatherer tribe ever studied eats some percentage of their meat raw. It puts you up for more parasites for sure, but these are not normally deadly.