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	<title>Comments on: UN IPCC AR5 Due in 2014</title>
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		<title>By: SJT</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/04/un-ipcc-ar5-due-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-46956</link>
		<dc:creator>SJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They were STUPID books.&quot;

I thought he said he agreed with you?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They were STUPID books.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought he said he agreed with you?</p>
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		<title>By: SJT</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/04/un-ipcc-ar5-due-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-46955</link>
		<dc:creator>SJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The part I said was settled is settled.  There&#039;s no question of it.  The extent of the warming is not clear, as the IPCC itself clearly says.

Science never stops researching, it never thinks that it has all the answers.  If they are doing research because it&#039;s their job and they enjoy doing it, including going to conferences, there&#039;s not much I can say.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part I said was settled is settled.  There&#8217;s no question of it.  The extent of the warming is not clear, as the IPCC itself clearly says.</p>
<p>Science never stops researching, it never thinks that it has all the answers.  If they are doing research because it&#8217;s their job and they enjoy doing it, including going to conferences, there&#8217;s not much I can say.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Hill</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/04/un-ipcc-ar5-due-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-46954</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought thats having your cake and eating too.

One the one hand the science of settled and we have a global consensus, but on the other we are uncertain about many things so give us more money--- and in the meantime you must scrww up your economies because what we say is the truth and incontrovertible, and if you dont we are all dooomed --but gives us your money anyway.

The logic is impecable--

As for your stupid analogy with gravity --we are not being asked to give up our way of life so that the gravity researchers can have open ended access to funds.Get a grip.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought thats having your cake and eating too.</p>
<p>One the one hand the science of settled and we have a global consensus, but on the other we are uncertain about many things so give us more money&#8212; and in the meantime you must scrww up your economies because what we say is the truth and incontrovertible, and if you dont we are all dooomed &#8211;but gives us your money anyway.</p>
<p>The logic is impecable&#8211;</p>
<p>As for your stupid analogy with gravity &#8211;we are not being asked to give up our way of life so that the gravity researchers can have open ended access to funds.Get a grip.</p>
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		<title>By: SJT</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/04/un-ipcc-ar5-due-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-46953</link>
		<dc:creator>SJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say there is no need to do any more research.  Just because the basic science is settled, that is, CO2 absorbs and re-emits radiation causing a warming effect for the climate, they certainly don&#039;t understand the extent of the warming that is going to occur precisely.  The IPCC lists many shortcomings in it&#039;s knowledge of the science, plenty of research to do yet.

Quite apart from that, scientists in general just do research anyway.  Gravity is &quot;settled&quot; as being a force that makes apples fall off trees, exactly how that force works is still a hot topic of research.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say there is no need to do any more research.  Just because the basic science is settled, that is, CO2 absorbs and re-emits radiation causing a warming effect for the climate, they certainly don&#8217;t understand the extent of the warming that is going to occur precisely.  The IPCC lists many shortcomings in it&#8217;s knowledge of the science, plenty of research to do yet.</p>
<p>Quite apart from that, scientists in general just do research anyway.  Gravity is &#8220;settled&#8221; as being a force that makes apples fall off trees, exactly how that force works is still a hot topic of research.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Hill</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/04/un-ipcc-ar5-due-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-46952</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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Well if there is no need to do more research because we have the answers and a consensus, it is not unreasonable to expect that the international travel is cut back, and thereby reducing their own collective carbon foot print.

Not to do so just makes it hypocritical.

Whats more deplorable is the number of pseudo- scientits who need to blog under pseudonyms.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if there is no need to do more research because we have the answers and a consensus, it is not unreasonable to expect that the international travel is cut back, and thereby reducing their own collective carbon foot print.</p>
<p>Not to do so just makes it hypocritical.</p>
<p>Whats more deplorable is the number of pseudo- scientits who need to blog under pseudonyms.</p>
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		<title>By: SJT</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/04/un-ipcc-ar5-due-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-46951</link>
		<dc:creator>SJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would have thought rather than being beneath her, it is a very sharp and pertinent retort.&quot;

Jennifer is quite entitled to ask why there is ongoing research in an area of science if it is &#039;settled&#039;.  The snide implication that the only reason for the research is to fly scientists to exoctic locations is deplorable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would have thought rather than being beneath her, it is a very sharp and pertinent retort.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jennifer is quite entitled to ask why there is ongoing research in an area of science if it is &#8217;settled&#8217;.  The snide implication that the only reason for the research is to fly scientists to exoctic locations is deplorable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Beale</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/04/un-ipcc-ar5-due-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-46950</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Beale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunsettommy re John Gribbin:-

&quot;He seems to prefer writing sensationalist stories.

A cheap science writer is what I see in him.

He is still wrong about This book:

Climates of Hunger: Mankind and the World&#039;s Changing Weather&quot; by Reid A. Bryson and Thomas J. Murray

I have that book and for 1975 not a bad book since there were so little climatic data to use then.

I have long stopped considering anything from Gribbin as being a reliable source of writing.

He is a junk science writer.&quot;

Thus it is interesting that the last sentence of that review in Nature was:-

&quot;The importance of his ideas certainly justifies the devotion of a major text to their display in the academic market place.&quot;

I am also sending a copy of the review to Jennifer Marohasy.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunsettommy re John Gribbin:-</p>
<p>&#8220;He seems to prefer writing sensationalist stories.</p>
<p>A cheap science writer is what I see in him.</p>
<p>He is still wrong about This book:</p>
<p>Climates of Hunger: Mankind and the World&#8217;s Changing Weather&#8221; by Reid A. Bryson and Thomas J. Murray</p>
<p>I have that book and for 1975 not a bad book since there were so little climatic data to use then.</p>
<p>I have long stopped considering anything from Gribbin as being a reliable source of writing.</p>
<p>He is a junk science writer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thus it is interesting that the last sentence of that review in Nature was:-</p>
<p>&#8220;The importance of his ideas certainly justifies the devotion of a major text to their display in the academic market place.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am also sending a copy of the review to Jennifer Marohasy.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Hill</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/04/un-ipcc-ar5-due-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-46949</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Given &quot;the science is now settled&quot; surely there will nolonger be any need for climate scientists and bureacrats to fly in their thousands to exotic destinations to talk about &quot;the consensus&quot;.&quot;

Isn&#039;t that type of comment beneath you, Jennifer?&quot;

SJT -

I would have thought rather than being beneath her, it is a very sharp and pertinent retort.

For ages we have have been told by the IPCC heavies and endless other AGW proponents that the science is settled, and that there is a consensus on this.

It is the the very claim that has duped the policy makers to start the public opinion campaigns, and spend mega bucks of public funds, as well as helping to differentiate political parties at election times.

If the science is settled, and it is indeed a consensus,as they have most certainly proclaimed, then why on earth is there a need to do anything more.

We should be using the science budgets to solve more important problems, of which there no shortage of candidates, not even related to AGW.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Given &#8220;the science is now settled&#8221; surely there will nolonger be any need for climate scientists and bureacrats to fly in their thousands to exotic destinations to talk about &#8220;the consensus&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that type of comment beneath you, Jennifer?&#8221;</p>
<p>SJT -</p>
<p>I would have thought rather than being beneath her, it is a very sharp and pertinent retort.</p>
<p>For ages we have have been told by the IPCC heavies and endless other AGW proponents that the science is settled, and that there is a consensus on this.</p>
<p>It is the the very claim that has duped the policy makers to start the public opinion campaigns, and spend mega bucks of public funds, as well as helping to differentiate political parties at election times.</p>
<p>If the science is settled, and it is indeed a consensus,as they have most certainly proclaimed, then why on earth is there a need to do anything more.</p>
<p>We should be using the science budgets to solve more important problems, of which there no shortage of candidates, not even related to AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: sunsettommy</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/04/un-ipcc-ar5-due-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-46948</link>
		<dc:creator>sunsettommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gribbin also co-authored a science fiction novel called &quot;The Sixth Winter&quot;. That was when the global cooling theory was all the rage and it was conjectured that about 5 years was all it took for the onset of an ice age.

Posted by: Eyrie at April 18, 2008 07:00 PM&quot;

He seems to prefer writing sensationalist stories.

A cheap science writer is what I see in him.

He is still wrong about This book:

Climates of Hunger: Mankind and the World&#039;s Changing Weather&quot; by Reid A. Bryson and Thomas J. Murray

I have that book and for 1975 not a bad book since there were so little climatic data to use then.

I have long stopped considering anything from Gribbin as being a reliable source of writing.

He is a junk science writer.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gribbin also co-authored a science fiction novel called &#8220;The Sixth Winter&#8221;. That was when the global cooling theory was all the rage and it was conjectured that about 5 years was all it took for the onset of an ice age.</p>
<p>Posted by: Eyrie at April 18, 2008 07:00 PM&#8221;</p>
<p>He seems to prefer writing sensationalist stories.</p>
<p>A cheap science writer is what I see in him.</p>
<p>He is still wrong about This book:</p>
<p>Climates of Hunger: Mankind and the World&#8217;s Changing Weather&#8221; by Reid A. Bryson and Thomas J. Murray</p>
<p>I have that book and for 1975 not a bad book since there were so little climatic data to use then.</p>
<p>I have long stopped considering anything from Gribbin as being a reliable source of writing.</p>
<p>He is a junk science writer.</p>
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		<title>By: sunsettommy</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/04/un-ipcc-ar5-due-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-46947</link>
		<dc:creator>sunsettommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try SJT,

But Dr.Gribbin who wrote that book and another similar book later while holding a doctorate in Astronomy.Allegedy educated enough to know that what he was writing about was not even remotely possible.

Such line ups have happened a number of times over the thousands of years.The critics of his books spotted so many astronomical errors in them that it was amazing that a doctorate in astronomy wrote it.

They were STUPID books.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try SJT,</p>
<p>But Dr.Gribbin who wrote that book and another similar book later while holding a doctorate in Astronomy.Allegedy educated enough to know that what he was writing about was not even remotely possible.</p>
<p>Such line ups have happened a number of times over the thousands of years.The critics of his books spotted so many astronomical errors in them that it was amazing that a doctorate in astronomy wrote it.</p>
<p>They were STUPID books.</p>
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