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	<title>Comments on: To Cull Kangaroos, or Not: Nichole Hoskin</title>
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		<title>By: John Widger</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Widger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why oh why oh why can i not find fresh kanga meat in butchers?  It tastes good, much better for you than beef meat and much better for the environment (kangas are natural here, cows are not).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why oh why oh why can i not find fresh kanga meat in butchers?  It tastes good, much better for you than beef meat and much better for the environment (kangas are natural here, cows are not).</p>
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		<title>By: Nichole Hoskin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nichole Hoskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re wjp&#039;s comments on Paul McCartney. I would be careful about the link between Viva&#039;s campaign and McCartney, on this particular issue. This is because Viva&#039;s website contains an undated quote from McCartney referring to commercial shooting (&#039;the industry&#039;). The same quote was on the website months before the Belconnen cull, along with a quote from Steve Irwin. I guess since Irwin is no longer with us, it is obvious that he is not commenting on the specific issue, although the same point equally applies to McCartney&#039;s quote.

The media appears to have gone for the celebrity taking on the celebrity Environment Minister line, which I am not convinced is actually the case.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re wjp&#8217;s comments on Paul McCartney. I would be careful about the link between Viva&#8217;s campaign and McCartney, on this particular issue. This is because Viva&#8217;s website contains an undated quote from McCartney referring to commercial shooting (&#8217;the industry&#8217;). The same quote was on the website months before the Belconnen cull, along with a quote from Steve Irwin. I guess since Irwin is no longer with us, it is obvious that he is not commenting on the specific issue, although the same point equally applies to McCartney&#8217;s quote.</p>
<p>The media appears to have gone for the celebrity taking on the celebrity Environment Minister line, which I am not convinced is actually the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was that your considered spleen vent, Greg, or just your knee jerk one? Maybe 3/10 at best but at least I can report that I have finally been accused of glee. Ain&#039;t I just a sick puppy?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was that your considered spleen vent, Greg, or just your knee jerk one? Maybe 3/10 at best but at least I can report that I have finally been accused of glee. Ain&#8217;t I just a sick puppy?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More stupid questions from Ian. Do you think census forms have a section asking people their environmental pursuation, land holdings and how they utilise such holdings in line with their ideals? Asking such questions for which no concrete answers exist is a common tactic for you. It then enables you to jump up and down in glee and delusion thinking you have somehow won an argument. In reality both the question and reaction are that of a child. Meanwhile, us adults saunter off in embarrassment wishing you would either grow up or go away and play your stupid games on a busy highway.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More stupid questions from Ian. Do you think census forms have a section asking people their environmental pursuation, land holdings and how they utilise such holdings in line with their ideals? Asking such questions for which no concrete answers exist is a common tactic for you. It then enables you to jump up and down in glee and delusion thinking you have somehow won an argument. In reality both the question and reaction are that of a child. Meanwhile, us adults saunter off in embarrassment wishing you would either grow up or go away and play your stupid games on a busy highway.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then, please, enlighten me, Greg. What proportion of them actually have land and exercise real, practical custodianship?

A mate mentioned how one dozer driver dealt with a protester who had chained himself to the dozer blade. He just walked off into the bush with a shovel and plastic bag and came back ten minutes later with half a Bull Ants nest in it. The Planet Ponce was gone in no time.

The lesson? Never piss-fart about with $hit.

If there is a large gathering of them, then bring along a rugby ball. And after accepting that they have prevented you from doing your job, you have every right to fill in time with a game of &quot;cross country rugby&quot;. And if the ball happens to get kicked into the crowd, well, you need to get in there and get it quick. Because if you don&#039;t then a ruck might form and both players and spectators could end up on the bottom of that ruck and who knows what might happen. Rugby, especially &quot;cross country rugby&quot; is a game of some considerable subtlety, but some of the forwards are not known for their sidestep.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then, please, enlighten me, Greg. What proportion of them actually have land and exercise real, practical custodianship?</p>
<p>A mate mentioned how one dozer driver dealt with a protester who had chained himself to the dozer blade. He just walked off into the bush with a shovel and plastic bag and came back ten minutes later with half a Bull Ants nest in it. The Planet Ponce was gone in no time.</p>
<p>The lesson? Never piss-fart about with $hit.</p>
<p>If there is a large gathering of them, then bring along a rugby ball. And after accepting that they have prevented you from doing your job, you have every right to fill in time with a game of &#8220;cross country rugby&#8221;. And if the ball happens to get kicked into the crowd, well, you need to get in there and get it quick. Because if you don&#8217;t then a ruck might form and both players and spectators could end up on the bottom of that ruck and who knows what might happen. Rugby, especially &#8220;cross country rugby&#8221; is a game of some considerable subtlety, but some of the forwards are not known for their sidestep.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical stereotyping and ignorance from Ian Mott I see. Must be hard to stand on a soap box with your head up your backside Ian.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical stereotyping and ignorance from Ian Mott I see. Must be hard to stand on a soap box with your head up your backside Ian.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be about right Goodoo, fresh from rent-a-dropkick. I wonder what proportion of them actually own land and take responsibility for it and the wildlife on it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be about right Goodoo, fresh from rent-a-dropkick. I wonder what proportion of them actually own land and take responsibility for it and the wildlife on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Goodoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goodoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that you mention the protesters. One of the protesters I saw on the news at Camberra is the same bloke I saw at the Wadonga Hunting Expo. At the expo he chained himself on a belcony above the police table in the Expo. He then ripped up paper and through it at the police and others while yelling abuse. When the police eventualy got sick of him they were kicked by him while trying to cut him free.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that you mention the protesters. One of the protesters I saw on the news at Camberra is the same bloke I saw at the Wadonga Hunting Expo. At the expo he chained himself on a belcony above the police table in the Expo. He then ripped up paper and through it at the police and others while yelling abuse. When the police eventualy got sick of him they were kicked by him while trying to cut him free.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Round them all up, sedate them, put them on a truck and deliver them to that prick who&#039;s inherited wealth funded the Wentworth Group. I hear he has some spare land, even calls himself a farmer these days.

Or better still, take the names of each protester, find their address and drop one off for them to look after. They are all big on opinion but, once again, totally lacking in responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

And after they sheepishly hand back the aforesaid &quot;bunnyroos&quot; the ADF can shoot them, process the meat and send it to Darfur where it will do some good.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Round them all up, sedate them, put them on a truck and deliver them to that prick who&#8217;s inherited wealth funded the Wentworth Group. I hear he has some spare land, even calls himself a farmer these days.</p>
<p>Or better still, take the names of each protester, find their address and drop one off for them to look after. They are all big on opinion but, once again, totally lacking in responsibility for the consequences of their actions.</p>
<p>And after they sheepishly hand back the aforesaid &#8220;bunnyroos&#8221; the ADF can shoot them, process the meat and send it to Darfur where it will do some good.</p>
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		<title>By: Nichole Hoskin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nichole Hoskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally agree with Ann’s comments on utilising kangaroo meat. However, in this case, it is not possible to commercially harvest the kangaroos in question because the ‘Code of Practice for the humane shooting of kangaroos’ requires the use of high-calibre rifles when shooting kangaroos (compliance with the Code is a condition of a licenses to shoot kangaroos in Australia). Since suburbia surrounds the Belconnen site, the use of high-calibre rifles is not a viable option for public safety reasons. It is somewhat ironic to note that commercial harvesting of these kangaroos would only be possible if relocation of the kangaroos occurs.
For More information on the culling of kangaroos in Belconnen, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Campaigning&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Campaigning&lt;/a&gt;
For more information on the requirements of the Code of Practice, see
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/AnimalWelfare&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/AnimalWelfare&lt;/a&gt;

In circumstances where it is possible to shoot kangaroos humanely and in their own environment, I agree that we should utilise the meat and skins. This view is present in the New South Wales law requirement that commercial shooters harvest both the meat and skin from kangaroos they shoot.
For more information on the harvesting process see,
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Commercial_Harvest&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Commercial_Harvest&lt;/a&gt;
For more information on laws regulating commercial harvesting see,
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Regulation_of_Commercial_Harvesting&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Regulation_of_Commercial_Harvesting&lt;/a&gt;

Ann raises an important point on the attitudes of some individuals concerned with wildlife protection/rehabilitation. I find it disturbing that such individuals oppose euthanizing wildlife, despite the fact that euthanizing is necessary, in the best interests of the animal, when the alternative is to have the animal die a slow and painful natural death. However, I take comfort from the fact that RSPCA Australia advocates an approach of gaining evidence and expert advice, from veterinarians and utilising their own expertise on cruelty to animals, to determine the best interests of particular animals in the circumstances of each case.
For more information on the position of RSPCA Australia, see,
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Animal_Welfare&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Animal_Welfare&lt;/a&gt;

In relation to DHMO and mjp’s challenge to activists to act on their concerns and provide funding to save the kangaroos, I agree that if groups such as Viva really care about the kangaroos, they should raise funds to enable them to take responsibility for the kangaroos. However, I suspect that it is easier to get people to sign a petition than to provide money to actually do something, since it is easier to tell others what to do rather than do something yourself.
For more information on the campaigns of various activist groups, such as Viva see,
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Campaigning&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Campaigning&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally agree with Ann’s comments on utilising kangaroo meat. However, in this case, it is not possible to commercially harvest the kangaroos in question because the ‘Code of Practice for the humane shooting of kangaroos’ requires the use of high-calibre rifles when shooting kangaroos (compliance with the Code is a condition of a licenses to shoot kangaroos in Australia). Since suburbia surrounds the Belconnen site, the use of high-calibre rifles is not a viable option for public safety reasons. It is somewhat ironic to note that commercial harvesting of these kangaroos would only be possible if relocation of the kangaroos occurs.<br />
For More information on the culling of kangaroos in Belconnen, see <a href="http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Campaigning" rel="nofollow">http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Campaigning</a><br />
For more information on the requirements of the Code of Practice, see<br />
<a href="http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/AnimalWelfare" rel="nofollow">http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/AnimalWelfare</a></p>
<p>In circumstances where it is possible to shoot kangaroos humanely and in their own environment, I agree that we should utilise the meat and skins. This view is present in the New South Wales law requirement that commercial shooters harvest both the meat and skin from kangaroos they shoot.<br />
For more information on the harvesting process see,<br />
<a href="http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Commercial_Harvest" rel="nofollow">http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Commercial_Harvest</a><br />
For more information on laws regulating commercial harvesting see,<br />
<a href="http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Regulation_of_Commercial_Harvesting" rel="nofollow">http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Regulation_of_Commercial_Harvesting</a></p>
<p>Ann raises an important point on the attitudes of some individuals concerned with wildlife protection/rehabilitation. I find it disturbing that such individuals oppose euthanizing wildlife, despite the fact that euthanizing is necessary, in the best interests of the animal, when the alternative is to have the animal die a slow and painful natural death. However, I take comfort from the fact that RSPCA Australia advocates an approach of gaining evidence and expert advice, from veterinarians and utilising their own expertise on cruelty to animals, to determine the best interests of particular animals in the circumstances of each case.<br />
For more information on the position of RSPCA Australia, see,<br />
<a href="http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Animal_Welfare" rel="nofollow">http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Animal_Welfare</a></p>
<p>In relation to DHMO and mjp’s challenge to activists to act on their concerns and provide funding to save the kangaroos, I agree that if groups such as Viva really care about the kangaroos, they should raise funds to enable them to take responsibility for the kangaroos. However, I suspect that it is easier to get people to sign a petition than to provide money to actually do something, since it is easier to tell others what to do rather than do something yourself.<br />
For more information on the campaigns of various activist groups, such as Viva see,<br />
<a href="http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Campaigning" rel="nofollow">http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/wiki/Campaigning</a></p>
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