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		<title>By: David Archibald</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/03/the-sacrificial-temptation-of-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-44027</link>
		<dc:creator>David Archibald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, I find your obsession with my work quite flattering.  Obviously you fear it.  If temperatures keep falling  for a few more yearsthen only ones left supporting AGW will be the true believers, and the truly idiotic.  Or is that moment with us now?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, I find your obsession with my work quite flattering.  Obviously you fear it.  If temperatures keep falling  for a few more yearsthen only ones left supporting AGW will be the true believers, and the truly idiotic.  Or is that moment with us now?</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/03/the-sacrificial-temptation-of-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-44026</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just tell us you support Archibald&#039;s published work Brucey - just say it. I dare you. Surely you do and would like to throw your support in?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just tell us you support Archibald&#8217;s published work Brucey &#8211; just say it. I dare you. Surely you do and would like to throw your support in?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Cobb</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/03/the-sacrificial-temptation-of-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-44025</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, your C02 pseudoscience has failed miserably.  The science has moved on.  So, why don&#039;t you just stop throwing your pathetic little climate hysteric tantrums and get over it! Oh, and BTW, nice try with the straw men.  ROTFLMAO!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, your C02 pseudoscience has failed miserably.  The science has moved on.  So, why don&#8217;t you just stop throwing your pathetic little climate hysteric tantrums and get over it! Oh, and BTW, nice try with the straw men.  ROTFLMAO!</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/03/the-sacrificial-temptation-of-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-44024</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it gets worse - he&#039;s now under attack from friendly fire - comments 720 through 730

Being asked things like:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;The RSS satellite temperature analysis in your presentation has a 0.18 degree per decade warming trend for the globe. Do you consider this to be insignificant?

What criteria did you use to select the 5 rural stations to represent the temperature change for the US?

Why do you believe that swings in the temperature of Central England are evidence that the world undergoes similar swings?

What is the source for the chart labeled “Medieval Warm Period - Little Ice Age”. Further, is it consistent with the chart that immediately follows, “The Holocene Optimum.”&quot;


and then further

&quot;0.18 degrees per decade is the rate of warming of the RSS analysis from 1979 to the present. That is independent of what any of us “see”.

You have used 5 temperature stations from the Southeast United States to infer the temperature change of the entire United States.

Local temperatures are more variable than global temperatures.

The graph from the First Assessment Report is Hubert Lamb’s temperature reconstruction of Central England. It was mislabled “global temperature” in the report. It uses growing seasons to infer temperature before thermometers.

You have mislabled the scale. According to Lamb’s graph, the difference between the LIA and MWP in Central England was about 1.3 degrees (based on 50 year averages), not 4 degrees. A 4 degree temperature change is clearly incompatible with the “Holocene Optimum” graph, even given the coarse resolution.&quot;


ROTFL - what a turkey shoot.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it gets worse &#8211; he&#8217;s now under attack from friendly fire &#8211; comments 720 through 730</p>
<p>Being asked things like:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The RSS satellite temperature analysis in your presentation has a 0.18 degree per decade warming trend for the globe. Do you consider this to be insignificant?</p>
<p>What criteria did you use to select the 5 rural stations to represent the temperature change for the US?</p>
<p>Why do you believe that swings in the temperature of Central England are evidence that the world undergoes similar swings?</p>
<p>What is the source for the chart labeled “Medieval Warm Period &#8211; Little Ice Age”. Further, is it consistent with the chart that immediately follows, “The Holocene Optimum.”&#8221;</p>
<p>and then further</p>
<p>&#8220;0.18 degrees per decade is the rate of warming of the RSS analysis from 1979 to the present. That is independent of what any of us “see”.</p>
<p>You have used 5 temperature stations from the Southeast United States to infer the temperature change of the entire United States.</p>
<p>Local temperatures are more variable than global temperatures.</p>
<p>The graph from the First Assessment Report is Hubert Lamb’s temperature reconstruction of Central England. It was mislabled “global temperature” in the report. It uses growing seasons to infer temperature before thermometers.</p>
<p>You have mislabled the scale. According to Lamb’s graph, the difference between the LIA and MWP in Central England was about 1.3 degrees (based on 50 year averages), not 4 degrees. A 4 degree temperature change is clearly incompatible with the “Holocene Optimum” graph, even given the coarse resolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>ROTFL &#8211; what a turkey shoot.</p>
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		<title>By: SJT</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/03/the-sacrificial-temptation-of-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-44023</link>
		<dc:creator>SJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke,

I wonder how much Archibalds presentation was tweaked for the conference?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke,</p>
<p>I wonder how much Archibalds presentation was tweaked for the conference?</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/03/the-sacrificial-temptation-of-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-44022</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So while we&#039;re examining the &quot;quality&quot; of the denialist argument let&#039;s see have a look at a petulant little try-on by one of your religious devotees. A certain conference goer and author to that prestige journal E&amp;E.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682&lt;/a&gt;
(Starts 714)

Archibald says to Leif Svalgaard in discussion of lack of correlation at certain parts of a time series on solar.

&quot;My recommendation to Dr Svalgaard is, instead of hammering the TSI flat, why don’t you tweak yours so that it agrees with other data sets?&quot;

Clearly aghast, Svalgaard replies &quot;Maybe you would do something like this, not me.

Your comment #717 should be an embarrassment to you.&quot;

Archibald reveals &quot;It is also worth noting that almost all skeptics agree that we have/will get a least a 1 degC of warming from CO2 no matter how much we might wish otherwise.&quot;

They do - what a massive admission? But what&#039;s this very scientific &quot;we might wish otherwise&quot; WTF Religious zeal.

If you read the whole exchange I have never seen a more slimy attempt to bluff a serious scientist into adopting a position. And Svalgaard shows his disdain for unscientific impertinent behaviour.

So your standards dudes !
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So while we&#8217;re examining the &#8220;quality&#8221; of the denialist argument let&#8217;s see have a look at a petulant little try-on by one of your religious devotees. A certain conference goer and author to that prestige journal E&#038;E.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682</a><br />
(Starts 714)</p>
<p>Archibald says to Leif Svalgaard in discussion of lack of correlation at certain parts of a time series on solar.</p>
<p>&#8220;My recommendation to Dr Svalgaard is, instead of hammering the TSI flat, why don’t you tweak yours so that it agrees with other data sets?&#8221;</p>
<p>Clearly aghast, Svalgaard replies &#8220;Maybe you would do something like this, not me.</p>
<p>Your comment #717 should be an embarrassment to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Archibald reveals &#8220;It is also worth noting that almost all skeptics agree that we have/will get a least a 1 degC of warming from CO2 no matter how much we might wish otherwise.&#8221;</p>
<p>They do &#8211; what a massive admission? But what&#8217;s this very scientific &#8220;we might wish otherwise&#8221; WTF Religious zeal.</p>
<p>If you read the whole exchange I have never seen a more slimy attempt to bluff a serious scientist into adopting a position. And Svalgaard shows his disdain for unscientific impertinent behaviour.</p>
<p>So your standards dudes !</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/03/the-sacrificial-temptation-of-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-44021</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen mate - you have ours and you&#039;ve rejected it. Hundreds of pages.

So your turn numb nuts.

You mean to tell me that you guys are predicting a cooling disaster and you are so pathetic and apathetic that you will just sit there and produce nothing. No warnings to government. Nothing to say.

You&#039;re all full of wind and piss.

So no fence sitting now bullshit artists - where&#039;s your policy briefing. Failure to produce one means you haven&#039;t a clue.

If you haven&#039;t a clue don&#039;t go round talking about cooling disasters then.

You have ours - where&#039;s your alternative.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen mate &#8211; you have ours and you&#8217;ve rejected it. Hundreds of pages.</p>
<p>So your turn numb nuts.</p>
<p>You mean to tell me that you guys are predicting a cooling disaster and you are so pathetic and apathetic that you will just sit there and produce nothing. No warnings to government. Nothing to say.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re all full of wind and piss.</p>
<p>So no fence sitting now bullshit artists &#8211; where&#8217;s your policy briefing. Failure to produce one means you haven&#8217;t a clue.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t a clue don&#8217;t go round talking about cooling disasters then.</p>
<p>You have ours &#8211; where&#8217;s your alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Cobb</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/03/the-sacrificial-temptation-of-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-44020</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;where&#039;s your report?&quot; No Luke, where&#039;s yours?  You&#039;re the one with the idiotic idea that C02&#039;s greenhouse effect is somehow, magically going to kick into some sort of overdrive any day now.  Prove it!  Put up, or shut up.  And, please try, at least being a little more creative than merely spouting the same, tired climate hysteric drivel.
We&#039;re waitin...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;where&#8217;s your report?&#8221; No Luke, where&#8217;s yours?  You&#8217;re the one with the idiotic idea that C02&#8217;s greenhouse effect is somehow, magically going to kick into some sort of overdrive any day now.  Prove it!  Put up, or shut up.  And, please try, at least being a little more creative than merely spouting the same, tired climate hysteric drivel.<br />
We&#8217;re waitin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SJT</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/03/the-sacrificial-temptation-of-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-44019</link>
		<dc:creator>SJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeepers, Luke, it&#039;s entertaining to see David Archibald hopping around on a pogo stick.  He&#039;s the same Archibald who gave the presentation at the recent conference, isn&#039;t he?  Shows the standard of the event.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeepers, Luke, it&#8217;s entertaining to see David Archibald hopping around on a pogo stick.  He&#8217;s the same Archibald who gave the presentation at the recent conference, isn&#8217;t he?  Shows the standard of the event.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/03/the-sacrificial-temptation-of-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-44018</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you want to see the quality the denialist debate check this unbelievably loopy one-sided exchange with Leif Svalgaard. Your boy not ours.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you want to see the quality the denialist debate check this unbelievably loopy one-sided exchange with Leif Svalgaard. Your boy not ours.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-224682</a></p>
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